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1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by dkonofalski »

Domenic_S wrote: post #200
leetcrew wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's reasonable to complain about the loss of the native app when one of the key selling points (imo) is the pleasant UI. I don't really understand the almost-automatic hatred of subscriptions. if an app has ongoing development that you benefit from, it seems entirely fair to pay a subscription. the fair alternative is a one time payment for a lifetime license with few patches priced in. I would probably pref…

> I don't really understand the almost-automatic hatred of subscriptions. if an app has ongoing development that you benefit from, it seems entirely fair to pay a subscription. I don't _want_ the ongoing development. Photoshop from 5 years ago is perfectly fine for me. Same with Lightroom, etc. I mean, I've only paid Apple _once_ for Logic Pro and have been getting upgrade after upgrade for no cost -- a nice bonus, b…

They did. They offered standalone licenses and subscriptions for an entire version's lifecycle and 97% (or something crazy high like that) of the people who downloaded went for the subscription. I've been a standalone user since v3 and finally upgraded after realizing that buying a license for Windows, Mac, and Linux would cost me more over 3 years than just paying the subscription.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by stjohnswarts »

runlevel1 wrote: post #123
FreezerburnV wrote: post #50

I guess I’m the outlier in being very happy with 1Password and fine with paying for the subscription service. Not only is 1Password the best password manager I’ve used, but it makes it seamless to share stuff with my wife. I don’t care if 8 is an Electron app either, considering I usually interact with it via the browser anyway with their extension. (Also I know that the majority of what they wrote for it is Rust and…

I'd be ok with paying an annual fee for the app. What I have zero interest in is increasing my attack surface solely for their bottom line. I'm also increasingly uncomfortable with the company handling my passwords engaging in the sort of spin and dark patters we've seen from AgileBits in the past few years.

I think bitwarden is much less cringey as a corporation if you're looking for an alternative. I use it and pay an annual subscription and have no issues. You can even self host if you get fed up with pay for a suscription or their free service.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by newdude116 »

pratikss wrote: post #29
nightski wrote: post #3

I haven't had a single bad experience with Bitwarden. I even pay for it now and still run it locally just to support them. Highly recommended if you don't want to be forced into 1Password's service.

+1 for Bitwarden I used to use Enpass and never had an issue but it's not open-source and you have to pay for Mobile client.

I stay with Enpass.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by _jal »

jl_agilebits wrote: post #320
bgentry wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Electron suited us perfectly, since we could write our UI code once and make it consistent across Linux, Windows, and Mac. This is the source of your mistake. Users don't desire to have the same UI across different OS environments, it's only an app's developers that care about that. Cross-platform UIs are inarguably a worse user experience than UIs tailored to the conventions and designs of each OS. A Mac app that d…

> Users don't desire to have the same UI across different OS environments, it's only an app's developers that care about that. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that. I personally enjoy having consistent user interfaces across the apps that I use, and there are many other people that would say the same, so I would avoid making broad assumptions. From our perspective, consistent user interfaces are a win-win…

> I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that.

This is such a bizarre claim. I know Agilebits understands Mac users.

To be brutally honest, I've heard this line from a lot of software shops after they decide tailoring their apps to the native platform is too expensive or inconvenient for them. Suddenly they all find that their users don't care about their native platform - I suspect if I went looking for the discussion from back when Adobe did this, I'd see the same phrasing.

I canceled my subscription today.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by antiframe »

rootusrootus wrote: post #315
antiframe wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A more apt comparison is $0 for Bitwarden vs $4.99 for 1Password. Most people don't need the 'extra' functionality.

That comparison would be $2.99 for 1Password. It is the family plan that costs $4.99, and Bitwarden's family plan is not $0. It also assumes you don't want the features in the paid version of Bitwarden, so it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. 1Password doesn't offer a free reduced-feature version, true.

That's fair. My point was that Bitwarden handles a good number of people's requirements in their free tier. 1Password is not free for anyone.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by dkonofalski »

tuxone wrote: post #424

Got 1Password 6 full license for OSX and loved it. Of course I bought also the Android app. Then switched to an iPhone and bought the app again, peanuts. Then I had to start using again PCs and bough the windows full license for 1P 7. I still use 1P 6 on macOS even though the missing support for Safari sucks (that actually made me switch to Firefox!) My point is, there is literally zero added value with the subscript…

>there is literally zero added value with the subscription

Hard disagree. Any security-focused software will have plenty to keep up with between OS changes, browser changes, site changes, new UI patterns, and even simple bug-fixes that you don't get from single purchases.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by FabHK »

FreezerburnV wrote: post #212
runlevel1 wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be ok with paying an annual fee for the app. What I have zero interest in is increasing my attack surface solely for their bottom line. I'm also increasingly uncomfortable with the company handling my passwords engaging in the sort of spin and dark patters we've seen from AgileBits in the past few years.

I'm curious about how you see the attack surface increasing when using 1Password. My knowledge of how it works is that it always stores your passwords in an encrypted blob that can only be decrypted with a combination of username, "master password", and vault password. So no matter if it's in Dropbox, 1Password's servers, or your own hard drive, if anyone obtains a copy of the password file they still have to crack i…

> I'm curious about how you see the attack surface increasing when using 1Password.

Someone above outlined it nicely: If you let 1Password take care of encrypting the vault, and iCloud (for example) of storing the vault securely, then a malicious actor would have to compromise both products to get your secrets.

It's why we have a pilot and copilot on planes.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by [deleted] »

jw1224 wrote: post #230
FreezerburnV wrote: post #50

I guess I’m the outlier in being very happy with 1Password and fine with paying for the subscription service. Not only is 1Password the best password manager I’ve used, but it makes it seamless to share stuff with my wife. I don’t care if 8 is an Electron app either, considering I usually interact with it via the browser anyway with their extension. (Also I know that the majority of what they wrote for it is Rust and…

1Password’s 2FA OTP auto-fill is such a blessing. It saves me so much time compared to how I used to have to do it — pull out phone, unlock, open Authy, wait forever for it to load, type in code, put phone away… It’s the little things that all add up. I’m very happy with 1Password — been using it for 10 years, and happy to subscribe, considering it’s probably my most-used utility app.

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

rootusrootus wrote: post #294
prepend wrote: post #237

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> $4.99/month for 5 people is affordable. I’m glad you find it affordable but these nickle and dime things add up. Especially when the product fits into $0 software so $4.99 is infinitely higher than $0. I feel like these small, “affordable,” services are just whittling away the Unix philosophy of do one small thing well. Layering on unnecessary crap just to charge a fee eventually comes home to roost. Also, password…

> Especially when the product fits into $0 software so $4.99 is infinitely higher than $0. What is the competition that costs $0? Bitwarden is $3.33/mo for equivalent functionality to the $4.99/mo plan from 1Password.

Syncthing+keepass/x/c, or pass+git if you're more techy

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by FabHK »

mvanbaak wrote: post #325
jw1224 wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1Password’s 2FA OTP auto-fill is such a blessing. It saves me so much time compared to how I used to have to do it — pull out phone, unlock, open Authy, wait forever for it to load, type in code, put phone away… It’s the little things that all add up. I’m very happy with 1Password — been using it for 10 years, and happy to subscribe, considering it’s probably my most-used utility app.

Authy has a desktop app :)

And Authy has an Apple Watch app, btw, that's very nice. Put it on the bottom button, and 2FA is fast and pretty convenient.
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