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TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by ant6n »

Waterluvian wrote: post #183

I’m a 34 year old who just got into Instagram and TikTok. I love it and hate it. I love all the creative and ridiculously funny content I find. But I viscerally cannot stand and get angry over so much attention seeking garbage there is out there too. Just smug unqualified nobodies telling people to “stop it” with a smug meme song regarding health habits or fashion or whatnot. Or “oh no no no no” or “thank you Diane”…

I'm 35 and definitely too old for tiktok. Sometimes people send me links to videos or ppl to follow, and when I'm trying to play this stuff both their website and the app fight me hard with terrible UI. Like I can't even figure out how to go back to the beginning of a video because it started playing but the sound was off and I had to turn it on, meaning I want to go back to the start. It's also full of random text everywhere and taking control of your back button or I dunno, everything is just all over the place.

I'm definitely too old for this shit.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by metrue »

josephcsible wrote: post #454
mrtksn wrote: post #25

I'm a huge fan of TikTok because after years of content stagnation and dullness, the internet is fun again. Especially places like Twitter and Instagram are outrage and depression inducers for me, consumed together it feels like the society is collapsing but everyone is living a perfect life at the same time. The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and prote…

> The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and protectionist. The problem is that China doesn't play fair, so if the west plays perfectly fair against them, we won't beat them even though we're better.

Define fair.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by romwell »

rvz wrote: post #457
romwell wrote: post #450

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My friend, I am not here to dispel your misconceptions, but I'll just note that you find HN a worthwhile community to participate in due to level of discourse here, then the same "para-social addict" label is applicable to you by your logic.

You can't 'follow' anyone on this site and anyone can simply have a random discussion here with anybody. The logic you tried to apply here doesn't work and isn't the same thing unlike what is going on in 'TikTok'. As for my question(s) you are yet to answer, I'll make the first one more clearer for you: >> Do they (the people you are following on TikTok) know you personally as if they are your close friends? >> So yo…

Notice how I am discussing things that you said, and you are discussing me, while also making claims about me.

What I value on TikTok is lack of unprovoked hostility of this kind in the communities that I have discovered there.

Enjoy your day, my friend, and try to find another person to argue about.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by MonaroVXR »

mrkramer wrote: post #310
aerosmile wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you had an issue with Zuck calling early Facebook users "dumb f**ks," wait until you find out what's going on behind the closed Tik Tok doors. You have to remember - we're still in the honeymoon phase with Tik Tok and haven't learned to hate them yet. Once the media and all your friends start sharing hatred about Tik Tok, leaks are going to start coming out, and there will be all the other fun ways through which w…

Facebook won because people from Germany, Austria, and Switzerland could not only connect with friends in their domestic and neighboring countries but because they could connect with friends all around the globe. That's what pretty much happened all around the world with FB/IG or in one word standardization.

You can with Discord? But what is really connecting?

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by varrock »

em500 wrote: post #101
mrtksn wrote: post #25

I'm a huge fan of TikTok because after years of content stagnation and dullness, the internet is fun again. Especially places like Twitter and Instagram are outrage and depression inducers for me, consumed together it feels like the society is collapsing but everyone is living a perfect life at the same time. The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and prote…

I agree that many Youtube videos are tedious and needlessly dragged out, probably caused by focussing on time spent as KPI. Too many Youtube videos nowadays give a strong vibe of creators being made only for the money. For TikTok I feel it's still at the stage where the makers, above all else, just want to be seen. But maybe it's only a matter of time before it devolves into aggressive monetization.

> For TikTok I feel it's still at the stage where the makers, above all else, just want to be seen.

This sounds like what YouTube used to be like. I wasn't around much for it, but I can only imagine how fun it must have been in the early stages.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by xyzelement »

vkou wrote: post #291
tablespoon wrote: post #90

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> As opposed to US based networks? There are important differences between being influenced by domestic actors, as part of a domestic political process, and being influenced by foreign actors. The latter is a far more serious threat to political independence. It's also pretty well documented that the PRC political authorities already use its domestic social networks in this way.

> There are important differences between being influenced by domestic actors, as part of a domestic political process, and being influenced by foreign actors Just because the actors are domestic doesn't make it at all better. Domestic actors don't have public welfare in mind, they have their own welfare in mind. This influence happens behind close doors, and I, as a constituent, don't get to have any input on it. Fo…

>> Just because the actors are domestic doesn't make it at all better. Domestic actors don't have public welfare in mind

No love for any social network from me, but there's a huge difference between a company looking for its own interest, and one being controlled by a state which may be in a hot (or certainly cold) war with your country in the near future.

You can surmise that FB will put its interests over your own, but you can bet that a Chinese owned media will actively look to harm you and the place you live, it's just a matter of time.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by jinguang »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #301
aerosmile wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you had an issue with Zuck calling early Facebook users "dumb f**ks," wait until you find out what's going on behind the closed Tik Tok doors. You have to remember - we're still in the honeymoon phase with Tik Tok and haven't learned to hate them yet. Once the media and all your friends start sharing hatred about Tik Tok, leaks are going to start coming out, and there will be all the other fun ways through which w…

China was supposed to start overtaking the US, but the one child policy knee-capped that route. Now their workforce is getting much smaller and the burden of care for the elderly is growing fast.

中国已经放开生育政策了，多孩政策很急迫的提上了日程

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by jinguang »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #386
mensetmanusman wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China was supposed to start overtaking the US, but the one child policy knee-capped that route. Now their workforce is getting much smaller and the burden of care for the elderly is growing fast.

Based China’s leadership’s track record, they do not seem like they will hesitate to reduce that burden if necessary.

是的，中国政府是务实的。

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by srcreigh »

OJFord wrote: post #321

I am honestly stunned that so many people apparently use both HN & TikTok. What does it offer you? Why isn't it the reserve of teens and younger that I thought it was? (I'm in my twenties, it's not news to me that I'm out of touch with the modal person my age/younger, but I'm not totally obliviously removed by generations or anything, and seemingly it's not just used by people my age/younger anyway.)

As a Canadian, it did a great job of showing me videos from Indigenous people. There was a recent discovery of mass grave sites at the residential schools in Canada. I was very happy to get to see plenty of videos from native creators - some educational, some memorial, plenty of great funny videos too for good measure.

There were some truly beautiful videos. Ex, a mom showed her 11 year old daughter in traditional native dress at her first pow-wow. The mom wasn't allowed to do that when she was a kid. So sad and beautiful. I cried!

Where else can I find this content..? Idk! I didn't have to look for it, Tiktok showed it to me.

I also think there's filter against toxic content. A lot of the videos I see are educational about social issues, but rarely does it feel like a toxic echo chamber.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by jinguang »

tablespoon wrote: post #58
mrtksn wrote: post #25

I'm a huge fan of TikTok because after years of content stagnation and dullness, the internet is fun again. Especially places like Twitter and Instagram are outrage and depression inducers for me, consumed together it feels like the society is collapsing but everyone is living a perfect life at the same time. The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and prote…

> The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and protectionist. I don't think the only question is "who wins at having the most popular social network." The more concerning one is of exerting political influence through manipulative amplification/suppression (which is something the PRC has a lot of experience with). That could be both highly effective and extre…

得了吧，政治影响操纵国非美国莫属。中国只关心自己家里的事情，自己的人民，一家私企才不会上升到政治高度。都是西方人自己内心里有鬼罢了。
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