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Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Putting the start menu button in the middle of the panel rather than at a corner seems to forget Fitts' Law. Is this a push to make people use hotkeys more or just bad design?

> seems to forget Fitts' Law. Is this a push to make people use hotkeys

I feel this is a general problem with Fitts' law: Anything that's used often enough to deserve to be in a corner should really only be accessed by hotkey.

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they are integrating teams, onedrive, office, microsoft 365 stuff directly into windows 11. Doesn't that spark anti-trust concerns? Think about Microsoft was fined for anti-trust for integrating internet explorer into windows and making it the default. Looks like every platform holder is just using the dominance of their platform to push their other stuff.

Microsoft was not fined for integrating IE IIRC. They where fined because they did not allowed you to install Netscape for example. I meant to said that they prevented OEMs like Dell, Acer, etc., to install Netscape. They gave them more discounts and such if you didn't install Netscape. They did similar with OS/2 IIRC. Is not that they prevented you from installing OS/2 as an OEM, but Microsoft will charge you for th…

No, you were always able to install Netscape. It was indeed bundling that they were fined for.

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> this seems a juvenile response Why? Why not wanting to associate your computer with some Microsoft account is juvenile? > Do you use a smartphone? What does that have to do with anything?

> Do you use a smartphone? >> What does that have to do with anything? I would bet 99% of iOS and Android users sign in with their Apple or Google account. Signing into an account for an OS is par for the course in 2021.

I sign into my phone with an account, but not my primary personal one. I use a secondary one I use for this and some other throwaway uses. I'm sure this isn't the norm, but I bet it's not that unusual, at least among tech people.

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IMHO, The main things of interest are the 40% smaller Windows Updates, TPM 2.0 requirement and Microsoft account requirement. * Windows Updates need to be solved even more comprehensively (get rid of winsxs or use smaller backing, adopt sane file locking so that reboots are less required, etc.). Still any improvement can justify a new version by itself. * Per wiki, TPM 2.0 was released in 2019 . 2019 wasn't that long…

> TPM 2.0 was released in 2019 This can't be right. I have 5+ year old PCs with 2.0 TPMs.

It isn't. TPM 2.0 was standardized in 2015; the most recent update to the standard was published in 2019.

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Looking at windows 11 I might move back from linux.

I tried Linux mint recently and was impressed. My parents seem to use it without issue. As long as you don’t game, need to use office or some other windoze software it seems like a viable choice.

Do you use a high DPI screen ?

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> Could they try to block Linux installs? Linux works just fine with UEFI, that's how I have it installed on all my machines.

I think the implication is TPM 2.0 and secure boot preventing users from booting unsigned code and installing Linux.

Debian is able to use secure boot. I suppose this is the case of some other distros.

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I'm betting that getting out of support / lifecycle requirements is part of the major version bump. Internet Explorer 11 support is likely tied to the lifecycle of Windows 10.

Sadly, I'll still be supporting IE11 on Windows 10 for the next decade. The bane of a massive company with old people that panic at opening chrome.

Should edge be replacing that?

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Let's hope not, thank you. It's one thing to force an update that just makes background improvements. It's another thing entirely to force a UI update that breaks your workflow. Most of us just got the people we support used to the new design now they're going to up and change it completely again. My Grandmother has basically given up using the computer because she doesn't have the mental energy to relearn a UI every…

Software developers around the world don't have to build software compatible with your old car, and get blamed for any incompatibility. There have already been posts showing that there's an option to put the start menu back on the left if you want that. Hopefully there will be options to deal with other inconveniences. As it stands, this already looks like it fixes many of the complaints people had about Windows 10;…

Cars have standards for user interfaces to prevent exactly this problem.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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So to summerize what they have announced (so far) - * A new look task bar. Centred similar to the macOS dock by default but lacking the ability to position on any other screen edge? * A new start menu design * Windows have rounded corners * Some built in apps such as the Xbox app and Microsoft Store have been redesigned (Xbox Game Pass and xCloud built into the Xbox app) * New touch keyboard (SwiftKey?) with improved…

> * A Microsoft account and internet connectivity is required for Windows 11 Home setup

If that's the case, I guess Windows 10 is the last Windows version I will use on my machines.

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