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Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by dfxm12 »

megous wrote: post #406
dfxm12 wrote: post #154

My life ended on June 21, 2020 Who wrote this post then? I know you go on much later to say that not everyone gets a chance to start over again but I have , so do you have some perspective. At a high level, you got fired from your job, lost some friends, got depressed, but found light at the end of the tunnel and are working again, a year later (a year where a lot of people found themselves out of work for many reaso…

I have a feeling that people don't always express their experiences literally. Maybe unless they have some mental problem, where they are unable to see behind literal meanings of words...

My point still stands, though for any amount of figurative-ness. That's the point. The author had an experience which amounted to a terrible year, after admitting some terrible misdoings. Almost everyone had a terrible 2020 regardless of their past, and employers fire people from jobs for much more tenuous reasons than what the author admitted to.

Homosexuals, African Americans, other minorites, etc. have their lives taken from them literally and figuratively just for being who they are, along with jobs and future prospects, so we can be spared the pity party here.

That's the perspective that those banging on about cancel culture here are lacking.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by temp8964 »

username90 wrote: post #458
hindsightbias wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An internet mob is the perfect model for what a Direct Democracy would look like.

Switzerland is the perfect model for what a direct democracy actually looks like and it is nothing like a twitter mob.

What? This is a totally nonsensical response. Everybody read history knows current Switzerland is a very unique outlier.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by xwdv »

rvz wrote: post #320
xwdv wrote: post #12

If you find yourself the target of a cancellation attempt, never give in. Never apologize. If you do, the problem isn’t going to go away, it will get worse. No apology is ever enough. No punishment is ever enough. There is no way to redeem yourself in the eyes of the public. Apologizing is making yourself humbled and vulnerable to a mob that does not deserve it. You will roll over to expose your belly in submission a…

Yes. The first step is to NEVER EVER apologise. With the mob, they will create libellous accusations and label you everything under the sun until they eventually spin your character into 'a Nazi'. Perhaps they were playing too much Wolfenstein VR and they see Nazis in everything. As you can see with the OP and the comments in this thread, it seems there is little to no redemption anyway. So apology is not an option.…

Plus if you apologize they just take it as evidence of wrong doing and that’s the worst you could do.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by xwdv »

nix0n wrote: post #272
overgard wrote: post #99

I've fortunately never been cancelled (I don't think I even have enough of a footprint or visibility for that to happen). From everything I've observed, the absolute worst thing you can do is apologize to the people attempting to cancel you. It's just pouring gasoline on the fire. These people will never say "oh, you learned from your mistakes, I guess I'll back off" . Most of them don't really care about the truth,…

I agree with your (and others on this post) assertion that apologizing doesn't seem to help. But I'm not convinced that waiting silently for things to blow over actually works. Are there any examples of this?

Donald Trump, Andrew Cuomo

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by koheripbal »

defaultname wrote: post #452
koheripbal wrote: post #443

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> This is either a weird rhetorical device you're using to discount opposing viewpoints (they're all just trying to "escape the reality of their own failed lives"..."they are worthless"), or some sort of Jungian projection. This is the long winded version of "no you". > Sexual harassment is an enormous problem in every industry. People who just want to do good work and be a part and contribute become targets for pred…

> This is the long winded version of "no you". I'd say it's much more accurate than the weird caricature you propped up. > You think OP is guilty here, with no basis. A bunch of people cited problem. Employer fired him. I don't assume he's guilty, but I have absolutely no reason to think him innocent , or somehow the victim in all of this. Being a creep has consequences. His own confession admitted to being a creep (…

To be honest, this is a toxic point of view, and I'm not going to engage it.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by robocat »

noahbradley wrote: post #21
shadeslayer_ wrote: post #6

I'm a bit sceptical about this because it talks very little about what happened that caused OP to get "cancelled", and an awful lot about how they came back from it. I do understand, first-hand, the trauma that comes from being cancelled (although I have like 1500 followers on Twitter so you could argue the stakes are less) and there's no doubt that it is a bitch. But there is something to take away from it - or at l…

Fair point! I guess I was writing this to people who have already heard the story. But I do get into what happened and why it happened in the podcast I recorded, if you're genuinely interested (and have some time to spare). Put simply, there's a lot to cover here. There's a lot of history, context, perspective, etc. and covering it all would take, well, probably a book. I couldn't get it all in this article, but mayb…

I admire your willingness to write that article, although I doubt your wisdom in doing so.

So far anything I have seen that directly or indirectly argues against cancelling invites a vortex of political bullshit to descend upon the writer, and you are already tainted so you are seen as a legitimate target for more abuse.

I can easily see how I could be falsely accused, and how difficult I would find to recover from that, so I can empathise with your decision to open the wound again.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by tasuki »

spoonjim wrote: post #367
overgard wrote: post #99

I've fortunately never been cancelled (I don't think I even have enough of a footprint or visibility for that to happen). From everything I've observed, the absolute worst thing you can do is apologize to the people attempting to cancel you. It's just pouring gasoline on the fire. These people will never say "oh, you learned from your mistakes, I guess I'll back off" . Most of them don't really care about the truth,…

Look at Andrew Cuomo. Dozens of women accused of him of lewd behavior and he said "whatever" and the media have moved on.

From Wikipedia:

> Liss said Cuomo called her "sweetheart," touched her on her lower back while they were at a reception, and also once kissed her hand after she stood up from her desk.

There are worse accusations too, but surely this is closer to light flirting than to lewd behavior? Compared to this, a certain recent US ex-president should have been cancelled a dozen times over.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by [deleted] »

stavros wrote: post #389
koheripbal wrote: post #331

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That was a good read. ...but if anything it sort of highlights the scope of the problem. Here is a man who could not handle working with a woman, and took it out on her. Shitty behavior, for sure. This is an order of magnitude better than being accused of being serial rapist. ....but if you think about it. Ted Harmon got away with this because he is so so so highly respected in the field. AND EVEN HE, was effectively…

> Ted (sic) Harmon got away with this because he is so so so highly respected in the field. And he's an extraordinarily smart and self-aware person, too. Most people aren't really in a position to do this much introspection and analyze the situation. If this is the bar of apology that's required, pretty much nobody is going to clear it.

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Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by spoonjim »

tasuki wrote: post #467
spoonjim wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at Andrew Cuomo. Dozens of women accused of him of lewd behavior and he said "whatever" and the media have moved on.

From Wikipedia: > Liss said Cuomo called her "sweetheart," touched her on her lower back while they were at a reception, and also once kissed her hand after she stood up from her desk. There are worse accusations too, but surely this is closer to light flirting than to lewd behavior? Compared to this, a certain recent US ex-president should have been cancelled a dozen times over.

Everyone knows that Trump defies all logic and reason so not sure what can be learned from that. Other examples are more illuminating.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by megous »

dfxm12 wrote: post #461
megous wrote: post #406

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a feeling that people don't always express their experiences literally. Maybe unless they have some mental problem, where they are unable to see behind literal meanings of words...

My point still stands, though for any amount of figurative-ness. That's the point. The author had an experience which amounted to a terrible year, after admitting some terrible misdoings. Almost everyone had a terrible 2020 regardless of their past, and employers fire people from jobs for much more tenuous reasons than what the author admitted to. Homosexuals, African Americans, other minorites, etc. have their lives…

Ok, but where is he comparing his suffering to other people?

I didn't have a sense he's minimizing suffering of others on his webpage.

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