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Re: Europe's Software Problem

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Post by tored »

wbc wrote: post #457
tored wrote: post #381

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What country is that? Germany? France? In Sweden it is the opposite because 1) more responsibilities 2) salary increase too small (and taxes too high, you can end up in the wrong bracket) 3) flat hierarchy (Du reform)

what do you mean by wrong bracket? According to wiki Sweden has progress tax income.

Yes, but depending on your yearly income there is another tax separate from the normal income tax (inkomskatt), if you earn more than 523 300 SEK you also need to pay "statlig inkomstskatt" at 20% for everything above that rate.

And previous year 2020 was the first tax year without värnskatt, an extra 5%, ie 25% total, for everything above 703 000 SEK. It was abolished 2019.

Re: Europe's Software Problem

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Post by dmitriid »

nickpp wrote: post #387
dmitriid wrote: post #371

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The absolute vast majority of "GDPR popups" are actually illegal under GDPR. Unfortunately, law enforcement has been asleep at the wheel.

Unfortunately the law was so bad even its creators can’t implement/understand/respect it.

The law is very straightforward and can be quite easily implemented by anyone. Notable exceptions are finance institutions where GDPR is superseded by relevant financial laws of each country.

There are explainers, compliance checklists, whatever you want to implement it. It was three years before it went in effect, and it's been 3 years since it went into effect. If you don't understand it by now, you definitely don't deserve to be handling personal data.

Re: Europe's Software Problem

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Post by dmitriid »

kortilla wrote: post #450
beebeepka wrote: post #433

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Law is reasonable then. You track your user, you notify them . I fail to see the problem. Then again, I am not running shady websites and selling user data

Yes, very reasonable. Gdpr pop ups on nearly every site with dark patterns making it annoying to opt out. A resounding success.

Once again, those popups are illegal under GDPR. So yes, it's a failure of law enforcement, but doesn't make the law itself unreasonable.

Re: Europe's Software Problem

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Post by mnouquet »

tored wrote: post #461
wbc wrote: post #457

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what do you mean by wrong bracket? According to wiki Sweden has progress tax income.

Yes, but depending on your yearly income there is another tax separate from the normal income tax (inkomskatt), if you earn more than 523 300 SEK you also need to pay "statlig inkomstskatt" at 20% for everything above that rate. And previous year 2020 was the first tax year without värnskatt, an extra 5%, ie 25% total, for everything above 703 000 SEK. It was abolished 2019.

Oh my god, a $100k salary would be taxes at 42%, plus a 25% VAT on general spending, that's just insane...

Re: Europe's Software Problem

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Post by tluyben2 »

jbverschoor wrote: post #393
MatthewMcDonald wrote: post #55

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I don't know about the bankruptcy laws, but Germany's GMBH (similar to an LLC) requires 25k in capital to get started.

It used to be 18k here. Not anymore. However an LLC will provide you with almost no protection anymore.

What does that mean? A BV protects you unless you pierce the veil. You are negligent or a malicious if you do so; otherwise it does protect you. But maybe you mean something else.

Re: Europe's Software Problem

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Post by tluyben2 »

jbverschoor wrote: post #379
mnouquet wrote: post #338

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In Europe, everybody wants to be a manager because mere developers is not high enough status. In the US, a 45yo DB engineer is akin to highly skilled wizard.

Yep.. you get paid shit as a dev here unless you run your own business.. has always been like that, will always be like that. Europe will never be big in software. We have nice livable cities, and we have old cultures, that’s about all what’s good here

Hope you moved as if I were you (reading all your comments here) I would not want to live here, and then in NL no less where I was born and people seem to like internationally. But if you dislike it so much I am not sure why you did not move to the US yet? Or even the UK which is a stepping stone but easier to get to.

Re: Europe's Software Problem

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Post by LAC-Tech »

koyote wrote: post #447
LAC-Tech wrote: post #409

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Speaking of work-ethic - I've noticed how much less Australians work than everyone else. Knocking off at lunchtime on a Friday, leaving at 3 or 4pm, etc. The only people I've seen working a full 40 hours in Australian companies are the people who own the company, and foreigners. I know Australians have are able to easily get a work visa to go to America. The cultural shock must be pretty big once they're actually exp…

> Knocking off at lunchtime on a Friday, leaving at 3 or 4pm, etc. The only people I've seen working a full 40 hours in Australian companies are the people who own the company, and foreigners. Are you implying that this is a bad thing? Having time to actually enjoy life seems to be very underappreciated here.

I mean it's a great thing for me as a New Zealander. I work a full 40 hours and look like a machine. And AU companies pay more than local ones.

Re: Europe's Software Problem

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Post by tluyben2 »

jbverschoor wrote: post #383
ik22kkKK3i wrote: post #378

Want to establish a business in Europe? Good luck wasting 150 hours a month only for compliance with billions of laws and spending the rest 10 hours for the actual development.

Good luck opening a bank account

I tried opening one in the US. That was not fun. What is the difference? As a Dutch person I had one in PT in 30 minutes. As a Dutch person opening in the US, AU and HK, it was a hell. What is the difference? If you are from those places, they won't know what you mean as it will be easy for this. As a Dutch person, you find it hard to get an account in the EU? Maybe if your info fails KYC, but otherwise it is trivial.

Re: Europe's Software Problem

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Post by tluyben2 »

ik22kkKK3i wrote: post #378

Want to establish a business in Europe? Good luck wasting 150 hours a month only for compliance with billions of laws and spending the rest 10 hours for the actual development.

You hire someone for that. What is the difference with hiring tax people and lawyers in the US. It amazes me why anyone would do this themselves. Or spend time on it themselves. Even a poor startup has 1000E to fix this. Well, it depends what you want to start; if it is a tire burning facility it will be more expensive but the main takeaway is: you just don't attempt this yourself. I outsource and have outsourced for decades, all interaction with the state and the eu; it is cheap and I don't spend time.

For software companies, there are hardly any barriers. Gdpr and labor laws depending on country if you contract people. For both, you get someone else to do it. There are companies who do this for a monthly fee.

Re: Europe's Software Problem

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Post by Dracophoenix »

b20000 wrote: post #403
jillesvangurp wrote: post #179

I'm a European, living in Europe, developing software. Lack of imagination is not our problem. It's so good that we supply our best talent to the US where it does extremely well revolutionizing AI, designing hardware for Apple, developing games, stream online music, etc. E.g. Amazon's CTO is Dutch. Basically the person that has been running AWS. The people and the education system are fine. Europe does have a few iss…

I moved roughly 10 years ago to the US from europe. In my experience, raising small amounts of money is possible in Europe and not too hard. Once you need more money, it becomes extremely difficult or nearly impossible, unless you can spend all your time networking, which is not going to happen if you are busy building a product. I would say that banking in Europe is much better developed than in the US. In the US, w…

I assume you went to ETH Zurich followed by Stanford?
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