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The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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Post by robinsoh »

unethical_ban wrote: post #162
bipson wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

E-Mail and Python notebooks? I don't think they these are the primary use cases for a "digital paper" device. What you consider an "overengineered piece" of paper might be intentional. Maybe you don't need paper - some people do.

I think that as e-ink gets better and better refresh rates, that having it as a grayscale monitor for things like textbooks/markup and browsing the web will make sense. Having an e-ink tablet to browse HN, check email and read the morning paper sounds pretty nice. I used to get the NYTimes delivered to my Kindle each morning.

> I think that as e-ink gets better and better refresh rates,

Could you clarify your meaning? Because as far as I know, there hasn't been any improvement in "refresh rates". Typical update times are still around 600ms. Unless you mean tricks like A2 as used by vendors like Dasung which aren't real completed updates.

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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Post by robinsoh »

gnicholas wrote: post #333
robinsoh wrote: post #47

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I work in the display industry. My take is neither will happen. Lets start with B. > B) Color e-ink displays get good enough for interactive use, movie watching, etc. There is no commercially sold genuine color e-ink today. Kaleido is a grayscale e-ink with a color filter laminated on top. Kaleido Plus is just the same with a light guide. E Ink did show off a genuine color display back in 2018 called Advanced Color a…

What do you think of ACEP v2? https://goodereader.com/blog/e-paper/e-ink-has-developed-ace...

Unfortunately, I have no knowledge of it. I would go as far as saying the article is quite confusing because the author (Mike Kozlowski) says things like "ACEP achieves a full color gamut, including all eight primary colors, using only colored pigments" and then jumps to "They can display a total of 32,000 colors". Statement A contradicts statement B unless I have missed something obvious.

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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Post by robinsoh »

kalleboo wrote: post #146
robinsoh wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work in the display industry. My take is neither will happen. Lets start with B. > B) Color e-ink displays get good enough for interactive use, movie watching, etc. There is no commercially sold genuine color e-ink today. Kaleido is a grayscale e-ink with a color filter laminated on top. Kaleido Plus is just the same with a light guide. E Ink did show off a genuine color display back in 2018 called Advanced Color a…

> these are all emissive technologies LCD doesn't have to be emissive. Black-and-white LCDs are most often not. It's unlikely but not impossible for there to be some breakthrough in colors LCDs

You are correct. Unlikely, but not impossible.

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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Post by Shorel »

xwowsersx wrote: post #220
wastholm wrote: post #111

I bought a Remarkable 2 a month or two ago because I wanted a cool hackable e-ink Linux computer. But instead I immediately started using it as an e-book and document reader and note-taking pad, and nothing else. And, so far at least, that's perfect. The screen is beautiful (a bit gray, but the black is really black so the contrast is still good), the device is thin and reasonably light, I only have to charge it once…

I have been looking at the Remarkable 2 and other devices in the category. My use case is taking notes on CS and maths, which both often require diagrams and other drawings. Can you speak to how well it works for something like this and how it compares to note-taking with a pen and paper?

Kobo Elipsa appears as a very strong contender.

https://youtu.be/X9UNZqfHEtU

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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Post by Shorel »

krastanov wrote: post #266
bm1362 wrote: post #257

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Frankly no, it doesn’t re-flow them so the text will often be too small. Quite a massive oversight and no one really talks about it.

I am surprised anyone would want reflow in their PDFs (that is what epub is for). The PDFs I read would be completely ruined even by minor reflow (e.g. I work with two-column text with many inline figures and math). PDF inherently as a format is not meant to have reflow. With that context, I love reading PDFs on my remarkable 2. Zooming and panning also works pretty well (given the slow refresh rate of e-ink).

The only reason I can think of, is people being unaware of ePub existence.

I agree with you. If you want something that can be reflowed, get the ePub version. Or, if it's meant to be made from images, get the CBZ version.

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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Post by Shorel »

squarefoot wrote: post #86

Ah, e-readers. I'm looking for a good one since forever, but they are either too small, too slow or too costly. Hopefully technology developments will bring soon a good 10" before my eyes will need a 15" one:) Reading old books and magazines is also a problem: they're often 100% graphics with no OCRed text, therefore they're really slow, also zooming a page with diagrams on a technical book can be painful on low end…

Go and watch this video ASAP:

https://youtu.be/X9UNZqfHEtU

It's the 10" Kobo Elipsa.

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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Post by adiM »

mbreese wrote: post #443
codethief wrote: post #174

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> I'm not sure what you mean when you say the RM2 has "pretty much none" when it comes to PDF reading and annotation capabilities. Well, all you can basically do is scribble within a PDF. The RM2 doesn't offer proper PDFs annotations and it doesn't even come close to the Supernote in terms of other useful features like bookmarking, digests, etc. > EDIT: Wow. Looked at the A5X and for the price compared to the RM2, it…

This is going to sound like an odd question -- does the Supernote do too much? Or is it still simple to use? I've been wavering on a RM2. I already have an iPad with the Paperlike screen cover. And I absolutely love writing on it. However, it has two downsides for me that keep me from using it all the time for notes: 1) It's still pretty heavy 2) It does too much. Seriously, I also have a keyboard for it, and there a…

Supernote does not do too much.

It has an excellent note taking app, a quirky way to create word docs, a calendar, ability to read and annotate pdf/epub, an email app (which I found impossible to set up), and kindle. That's it. You cannot install/side-load apps.

So, it is a perfect device for no distraction note taking.

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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Post by drums8787 »

> However, if you like Moleskine notebooks and have filled many a year and your shelves are filled with many years' worth, then take a good look

That’s exactly what I like about my paper notebooks. 20 years worth, visible on a shelf. And they never run out of batteries. No backups though.

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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Post by atatatat »

ryanianian wrote: post #214
atatatat wrote: post #199

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> you can SSH to root over wifi out of the box! Yeah. Let me rush to put that on my main network.

You have to explicitly turn on SSH access, and each device has its own unique SSH password which is only accessible from the device itself. It's not a set of generic admin/admin creds.

So...not out of the box.

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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Post by colecut »

colecut wrote: post #432
canoebuilder wrote: post #330

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Links or recommendations for the sketching PDFs?

The book I am using and liking right now is How to Draw: Sketch and Draw Anything, Anywhere with This Inspiring and Practical Handbook, by Jake Spicer

I will add, it probably isn't the ideal device to learn how to sketch, because it isn't as expressive via pressure as normal pencils, or able to do different levels of shading, but at least I am trying now.
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