They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions • Hacker News Board

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by jbroson » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 8:59 PM UTC

toolz wrote: post #455

jbroson wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like you are just angry at the mere mention of race. Like we should just go through life pretending like race plays absolutely no factor in any law, human interaction, or bias unless someone says the "n" word or something. Given our history as a country that seems INCREDIBLY foolish.

I don't intend to portray anger as I couldn't be farther from angry. I just think solutions are easier to find when you tackle problems directly rather than assume malice exists lurking in the shadows every time a situation presents itself. The world isn't angry, nor is it racist, nor is it violent. The world is full of complexity and misunderstanding far more than it's full of malice. If you go looking for malice wi…

"The world isn't angry, nor is it racist, nor is it violent"

...we clearly don't live in the same world.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by jbroson » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 9:02 PM UTC

whack wrote: post #449

jbroson wrote: post #432

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"Sounds to me like those legitimate criticisms are exactly what the "insane Weaver residents" are complaining about." Really, the white dude who complained to the cops to do something about the black and latino car club because they are "scary" is just genuinely concerned about law and order and the imperative that all minor violations of local codes must always be enforced? Color me skeptical. Calling the cops on sc…

Talk about a strawman. Are there some people who might have complained for dumb reasons? Sure. Are there more people would would have complained because they don't want their residential neighborhood to: - be filled with thrash - smell like burning rubber - violate noise ordinances every single Sunday? Yes. Most middle-aged people do not want to live in such an environment, and neither do I. This is exactly why resid…

"Talk about a strawman"

...YOU are the one who claimed everyone that was complaining had a legitimate complaint about law and order and enforcement of local codes.

I mean it's literally in the first few paragraphs of the piece that some dude thought the black and brown guys at the car club were "scary" so he reported them.

"Are there some people who might have complained for dumb reasons?"

"dumb reasons"?

I think the term you should be looking for is "bigoted" reasons.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by toolz » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 9:19 PM UTC

jbroson wrote: post #461

toolz wrote: post #455

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't intend to portray anger as I couldn't be farther from angry. I just think solutions are easier to find when you tackle problems directly rather than assume malice exists lurking in the shadows every time a situation presents itself. The world isn't angry, nor is it racist, nor is it violent. The world is full of complexity and misunderstanding far more than it's full of malice. If you go looking for malice wi…

"The world isn't angry, nor is it racist, nor is it violent" ...we clearly don't live in the same world.

look at any objective statistical trends worldwide and you'd likely come to the same conclusions I've come to.

violence trends down

life expectancy trends up

poverty and hunger trends down

child labor is in decline

leisure time is increasing

nuclear weaponry is on the decline

migration is trending up

I'm not sure which objective metrics I could look at would imply anything other than what I've concluded.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by setr » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 10:16 PM UTC

orthecreedence wrote: post #422

setr wrote: post #371

> One particularly vocal tenant, a non-Hispanic white woman with short blond hair who appeared to be in her fifties, claimed that smoke from the tires was killing nearby trees and that traffic from the gathering would make it impossible for an ambulance to reach her in the event of a medical emergency Why is this woman so uniquely and thickly qualified “A non-white black man with a thick black curly hair who appeared…

Because they don't want to just come out and say "Karen."

If that were there case, it seems a bit dangerous/wrong for a reporter to be trying to pinpoint a complainer like this, if the reporter/target is not comfortable enough to put the name in directly. The only outcomes are nothing, or trouble occurring with the reporter having a very thin claim to non-responsibility.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by chiph » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 10:27 PM UTC

This isn't the first time that newcomers have complained about Austin traditions. First there were the people who admitted they moved to the downtown for the vibe. But then complained about the loud music from the bars along Rainey Street. So.. you moved to the Live Music Capital of the World, only to complain about the live music?

The city adopted a noise ordnance that kicks in at 10pm, and enforces it with SPL meters.

Later, they started complaining about the smoke from the BBQ restaurants. Daily batches of BBQ get started around 3am, and to be good BBQ, are made from beef brisket smoked over a wood fire (not gas, not electric, and certainly not with "liquid smoke"). So .. you moved to a state where brisket BBQ is a second religion for people, only to complain about the smell.

I believe the city figured out there was no pleasing these people, and told them to keep their windows closed if they didn't like it.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by throwaway0x1 » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 10:31 PM UTC

droptablemain wrote: post #459

throwaway0x1 wrote: post #421

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There may be a kernel of truth that the residents moving in are displaying "toxic leftism".

There's nothing "leftist" about pompous, anti-working class people.

Unironically saying "toxic masculinity" is definitely leftist.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by chiph » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 10:38 PM UTC

ryandrake wrote: post #3

Real estate law has this concept of “Coming to the nuisance” where if you know that there is some kind of “nuisance” nearby and you move next to it anyway, you can’t complain about it later. I’m not a lawyer so I’m probably pedantically wrong about it in some way but that’s my understanding of it. People do this with small local airports all the time. They move in, knowing full well (or should know full well) that th…

The Charlotte Rifle-Pistol Club has an outdoor range in a distant corner of the county. But developers have discovered the cheap land out there (cheap for a reason .. it's next to a shooting range) and started putting in subdivisions.

The club posted a large yellow sign by the entrance: "A safe & friendly neighbor since 1913" so that prospective homeowners could see it, as it was suspected that the realtors & sellers were not disclosing it's existence.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by oliwarner » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 11:03 PM UTC

jbroson wrote: post #432

whack wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> With that said, I think there are legitimate criticisms about the car club. For one, they absolutely trash the place every Sunday. When I walk down to the lake on Monday, there’s just tons of trash on the ground. I don’t know who picks it up but it’s certainly not the car club. Also, doing burnouts and donuts on public streets sounds fun but it leaves the road covered in tire rubber and I imagine it smells awful wh…

"Sounds to me like those legitimate criticisms are exactly what the "insane Weaver residents" are complaining about." Really, the white dude who complained to the cops to do something about the black and latino car club because they are "scary" is just genuinely concerned about law and order and the imperative that all minor violations of local codes must always be enforced? Color me skeptical. Calling the cops on sc…

Calling the cops for a sustained and recurrent noise, environmental and traffic disturbance that means you can't reasonably enjoy your home or its immediate environment at the weekend... Seems fair, not racist or even bizarrely NIMBY.

"This is a tradition" isn't good enough. It has to remain a tradition that people want in their back yards. If they don't, find somewhere else to do your noisy car things.

Clearly the police here disagree, and feel that anyone can be as disruptive as they like.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by oliwarner » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 11:06 PM UTC

wan23 wrote: post #406

whack wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> With that said, I think there are legitimate criticisms about the car club. For one, they absolutely trash the place every Sunday. When I walk down to the lake on Monday, there’s just tons of trash on the ground. I don’t know who picks it up but it’s certainly not the car club. Also, doing burnouts and donuts on public streets sounds fun but it leaves the road covered in tire rubber and I imagine it smells awful wh…

We supposedly live in a democracy, but the ability to affect what laws exist is not distributed equally. Sometimes there are two groups with opposing views of what the law should be, and the smaller group loses out. Oftentimes those people gather together in a place and have the local law enforcement disregard the law in their area. For example, pot is legal in Colorado even though it's illegal in the United States a…

> the residents of this neighborhood don't want the noise ordinance to be enforced

I think that sort of local override is something that needs to be tested on frequent intervals. Communities change. They get older, they have kids, whatever, situations change. It's not enough to say that "this is the way we've done things since 1582". It's the people today that matter.

Re: They Just Moved to Austin. Now They Want to End One of Its Traditions

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Post by techsupporter » Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 11:43 PM UTC

brundolf wrote: post #382

techsupporter wrote: post #124

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> I simply don't know where else to go; it seems like every nice-to-live-in medium-sized city that isn't SF is going through this same song and dance. Not to sound too defeatist about it, since let's be honest we are still sitting pretty high on the list of people doing pretty well for ourselves, but I'm not sure there is any real escape. In addition to more people moving here, one of the other reasons the Puget Soun…

> I am anxious not only for my family, but for society at large Absolutely; I didn't mean to underplay how privileged I still am, that my worst-case scenario is spending more than I'd like to on housing or moving somewhere less-pleasant to live. Lots of people are in much worse positions right now and I'm really hoping something gives at some point. I just wanted to air/discuss the source of my own (much smaller by c…

> Absolutely; I didn't mean to underplay how privileged I still am

Just to be clear, I was all but certain we were in agreement, and I didn't think you were (deliberately) leaving anyone out. What I wrote was more of a "this is gonna suck...for most of us...pretty damn soon...and we all know it...and that sucks."