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Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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I don't understand why many workstation-class laptops DONT have a num pads. It is so annoying to have to type long sequences of digits without one.

Do numbers constitute even 5% of your keyboard usage time?

Excel users yes.

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Theoretically the best balance between high resolution (you can't see any single "normal" pixel anymore at normal viewing distance and normal eye sight) and battery usage is 1440p. But support for 1440p on Linux (and as far as I know not just Linux) is crap. Anyway in my experience having a high quality display is much much much more important then the display resolution (as long as it's at least 1080p).

I'm curious what support you think 1440p needs specially or where you think Linux falls down? I've got a 1440p primary monitor for my desktop and the only device to have issues with it is my PS4 pro which only supports 1080p or 4k video out even though 4k mode if often upscaled 1440p

Wayland currently only supports integral scaling, so as long as you don't want the content on the screen to be noticeable smaller (no scaling) or bigger (scaling by 2) you have a problem.

Sure some wayland implementations do support fractional scaling but only in a way which leads to not so crisp fonts and images (scaling by 2 and then down scaling the pixel output to the given 1.x scaling factor), which defeats the whole point of getting a higher resolution screen.

Sure if your 1440p screen is also size wise bigger this might not matter but then my argument was always about increasing resolution without increasing monitor size. E.g. like a 1440p14" Laptop or similar.

Also a perfect size scaling on a 1440p14" to make the UI be the same size as on a 1080p14" monitor is technically impossible, through there are ways to get solutions which are good enough anyway (but not scaling to exactly the same size but something close by, separately for each font and other elements in a UI).

And while X impl. might work better, lets be honest X is dead. Still used, sure, but dead anyway.

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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I'd have to disagree. I bought the Mibook Pro a few years ago after it seemed to get quite good reviews, but it is an absolutely miserable machine to use The iGPU has a hard-locked 64MB of RAM allocated to it, which means the Nvidia graphics chip is ALWAYS on, causing it to get maybe 2~ hours of battery life at best The build quality is miserable, I ended up replacing all of the screws in the machine to make it more…

Besides build quality, the problems you have are with Nvidia. What should Red Hat do? Forward your strongly worded email to Nvidia?

I'd be sending it to Nouveau project members. So they can work on ironing out support for its MX150 GPU

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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I don't understand why many workstation-class laptops DONT have a num pads. It is so annoying to have to type long sequences of digits without one.

This debate makes me wonder what it'd be like to have a keyboard layout in which the num pad is in the middle of the keyboard, such that on a qwerty keyboard Q-T, A-G, Z-V are on one side and Y-P, H-L, B-M on another, with the numbers in the middle (separated by a buffer space). I know this sounds crazy, but IME the worst part of keyboard ergonomics on mac laptops is that my hands are much closer together than my sho…

That does sound neat and would actually be quite withing the realm of possibility for a System76 laptop since their controllers are open-source. If you got like 50 people to chip in, you could probably get the production cost for one unit under 100$, which is still cheaper than most desktop split keyboards on the market.

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Indeed. Just looking at the M1 Air (which I am quite tempted by). $999 Starting Price. tempting +$249 +265Gb SSD (and a 8th GPU core) +$200 +8Gb RAM (to a reasonable 16Gb) +$200 +512Gb (to a nice 1Tb) So that's $649 for a 768Gigs of SSD, 8 Gigs of RAM (and a GPU core). Cost of 1Tb gen-4 and a stick of RAM is about $200

The fact that paying those inflated prices after the initial purchase isn't an option is already enough to turn me away from buying any of them (or even the laptop itself).

I think it's more (and it's not just Apple playing this game) that the entry model/price is horrifically under-powered. It's there to hook you in on the price, and that's it. The rest of the pricing is then designed to pull you along the upgrade ratchet.

i.e. You've paid the absolutely necessary $249 to get the 512Gb... then it's only $200 to get an extra 512Gb. Once you've overcome that first hurdle, the 2nd looks almost good value.

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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post #437

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I'm curious what support you think 1440p needs specially or where you think Linux falls down? I've got a 1440p primary monitor for my desktop and the only device to have issues with it is my PS4 pro which only supports 1080p or 4k video out even though 4k mode if often upscaled 1440p

Wayland currently only supports integral scaling, so as long as you don't want the content on the screen to be noticeable smaller (no scaling) or bigger (scaling by 2) you have a problem. Sure some wayland implementations do support fractional scaling but only in a way which leads to not so crisp fonts and images (scaling by 2 and then down scaling the pixel output to the given 1.x scaling factor), which defeats the…

The non-crisp rendering is only true if you use xwayland applications. Wayland apps support fractional scaling.

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Not if you use 4k or even more.. DisplayLink compression sometimes gets so bad that you can measure it in seconds per frame.

I believe, based on my own experiences, that you're mistaken here. MacOS has a nice feature that shows you in the device tree what the thunderbolt connection speed is, for my eGPU it shows as '2x' which is 20GBps, and that's running an eGPU with 2x 4k displays. For work, I run a 4k panel from Lenovo[0] that has a USB-C in and while that's a 60Hz screen, it does not show any signs of input lag or artifacting. [0]: htt…

Many Docking stations only can do it via DisplayLink though

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Because I work in multiple stationary locations. Even during pandemic. If I really wanted to work on desktop I'd need to buy a car and bother with transporting it few times a week, or I'd need to buy multiple desktops and move only external SSD. And in that case it would be a luxury, but I'd still want a laptop for occasional work and entertainment from couch.

Or you could have a powerful desktop machine and SSH/RDP into it from a less powerful laptop.

Latency from multiple locations would be a problem, also would need to expose it to the internet, and static IP is a problem. I'm sure there are solutions to this tho, but not worth it IMO.
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