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Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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I'm surprised to see such a high percentage of "NO" responses. I'm genuinely curious to understand why

Well, dunno if I should explain my reasoning but here goes... For the same reason I never got a rabies vaccine until having to work in close proximity with rabid animals. Up until that point, my chances of dying from rabies were pretty slim to none. Likewise, my chances of severe complications, death, or even experiencing any symptoms at all are slim to none. The at risk people around me will be likely vaccinated, so…

> There are potential side effects, these side effects are potentially long term and severely debilitating and despite being a low risk, it's still a higher risk for me than experiencing anything terrible from covid.

Your risk perception is way off. Like orders of magnitude off. You're also assuming the risks of catching COVID are known and minor, but the risks of a vaccine are unknown and possibly off.

In reality it's the inverse. We have well over a hundred years of research into how vaccines interact with our bodies, as well as similar knowledge of things like manufacturing safety, injection best-practices, etc. While the exact mechanism of the mRNA vaccines is new to vaccines, it's been studied very closely in tens of thousands of people over several years (there have been several mRNA vaccines in the pipeline, but due to less immediate advantages their approval is slower going). It's mechanism is new for vaccines, but well understood.

COVID on the other hand is a virus where some of the immediate, worst effects are known and feel safer. But that's completely not true. The immediate effects we know are very dangerous (As a 39yr old male, I stand a 1/2000 chance of dying if I get the disease) and you're not factoring the risk of unknown long-term effects, which are unknown. It's entirely possible that damage done from the virus could have long-term hidden consequences that we won't know for many years.

So then you're left with your risk of catching the virus. Of course, this varies greatly based on behavior and region. You may feel safe, and you may indeed be relatively so, but of the hundreds of thousands of people who found out they tested positive today I'm willing to bet a good chunk of them felt just as safe as you.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Right now its 310 YES to 39 NO. From what I've been reading in the (fake?) news, surveys and polls in the USA, I'm actually surprised to see so many yeses.

Some of this can always be explained by the "lizardman constant": https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/12/noisy-poll-results-and... Also, ballpark 20% of Americans already had the disease, and the benefit for them (while still there) is lower. Also pregnancy. So multiple reasons why 10% is probably not crazy. For what it was worth, I was also a bit confused by the order, as I think they randomize it or something and al…

> I also think most of us don’t know someone who believes reptilian aliens in human form control all the major nations of Earth.

Really? I know multiple people who genuinely believe this. Yes you'll always get some constant of random picks, but you also have to understand that our social circles hugely limit us from representative samples of the population's opinions. The only people I know who have actually been in crazy cat lady houses were because they worked as repairmen, since there you'll get a sample of the population which needs their furnace looked at sometimes

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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I WILL refuse it if they try and make it mandatory, no matter the consequences. Because of it being untested and me thinking this will be used as a test run to see what the government can force on us.

If they make it voluntary, I will wait, because of me being suspicious of long term consequences.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Do these vaccines prevent a person from spreading the virus? I've heard a number of times that these will prevent the person who got the vaccine from getting sick, but that it won't prevent them from spreading the disease. If that is the case then I could understand why a young healthy person would not want the vaccine as the risk to them from covid is extremely low.

For young people, the risk of death is low, but even young people can suffer from long Covid: https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4470 >.

We know about as much about “long covid” as we do about the long term effects of the vaccines. So surely if you’re going to make that argument it should apply both ways?

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Well, I was completely unaware that HN supported polls. This is a pleasant surprise.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25097578 (which led to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25097685 ) Evidence that no one reads the FAQ! https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

Seems like a discoverability issue.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Young and healthy, don't really care to get covid as risk is very low. But the vaccine is new we never know what we could discover about its effect in 10 years

We also don't know what the effects of covid are in 10 years.

This argument, while technically true, is relatively dismissive of all that we have learned about the virus.

Of primary importance, COVID-19 appears to be easily and completely cleared by the human immune system and does not appear to become latent by settling in immune privileged areas or by integrating itself into the human genome or body in any other way (like Epstein-Barr, Herpesvirus, HIV, etc.)

Outside of the mainstream media and in the medical research literature COVID-19 has been thought to be easily "curable" since early on in the pandemic. In my opinion there appeared to be more uncertainty around the FDA and the rapid development timelines than there ever was around whether or not an effective and complete treatment could be developed.

A severe infection or cytokine storm may obviously cause lasting damage. I do not mean to suggest that everyone will be off the hook in the future!

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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I WILL refuse it if they try and make it mandatory, no matter the consequences. Because of it being untested and me thinking this will be used as a test run to see what the government can force on us. If they make it voluntary, I will wait, because of me being suspicious of long term consequences.

Vaccines are far from untested.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Um, you do know that alcohol is something that pregnant women should avoid? Will you quit drinking alcohol?

Not the same. According to a former Pfizer employee, there is a ~70% risk that it could cause sterility in women. At this point (a) I don't know if this guy's a whack job or (b) whether he was implying permanent or temporary sterility. All I know is that I wouldn't want my daughter to take it until there's more certainty about the risk factors.

70% risk of sterility, but it's only some unnamed "former Pfizer employee"?

Bullshit.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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I'm surprised to see such a high percentage of "NO" responses. I'm genuinely curious to understand why

Pregnant women or women who are planning on becoming pregnant should not have it according to UK government guidelines. That’s a pretty good reason to click NO.

Note that there are differing professional opinions on this. The Society for Maternal-Fetal Medicine recommends no special exclusion of pregnant women from vaccine trials or vaccine campaigns: [1] [2]

Despite the categorization of pregnancy as a high-risk condition for severe COVID-19, hospitalization, and mortality, pregnancy remains an exclusion for participation in vaccine trials. The Society for Maternal-Fetal Medicine (SMFM) and other leading organizations, including the National Academy of Medicine, have consistently advocated for the inclusion of pregnant and lactating women in vaccination trials, particularly when the following criteria are met: (1) pregnancy poses increased susceptibility to or severity of a disease; (2) the best approach to protect the infant is through passive placental antibody transfer, which provides the most efficient and direct protection to the newborn before an infant can be vaccinated, and (3) there is an active outbreak.

In general, SMFM strongly recommends that pregnant women have access to COVID-19 vaccines in all phases of future vaccine campaigns, and that she and her healthcare professional engage in shared decision-making regarding her receipt of the vaccine. Counseling should balance available data on vaccine safety, risks to pregnant women from SARS-CoV-2 infection, and a woman’s individual risk for infection and severe disease. As data emerge, counseling will likely shift, as some vaccines may be more suitable for pregnant women. mRNA vaccines, which are likely to be the first vaccines available, do not contain a live virus but rather induce humoral and cellular immune response through the use of viral mRNA. Healthcare professionals should also counsel their patients that the theoretical risk of fetal harm from mRNA vaccines is very low.

[1]: https://www.smfm.org/covidclinical

[2]: https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.smfm.org/media/2591/SMFM_Vaccin...

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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I'll take it but only later in the year when it is more widely available. People at high risk should go first, then people who are super social (or stupid + spreading the plague). Especially younger people, they need to get pricked. Do you really think they're going to avoid drinking close physical contact in spring? Me neither.

No need to worry about who should go first. They will be rolling it out based on need. When it's available to you, go get it.

this is exactly it. based on my demographic, i'm going to be one of the last in line.

I'm not going to be trying to jump ahead in that line because i'm not an asshole and i know other people need it more than I do. but also I'm a little bit of an asshole, so i'm kind of reassured to know that hundreds of millions of people will have gotten it before me, and if there are any issues there will have been plenty of time to sort them out.

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