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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by oh_sigh »

enumjorge wrote: post #259
howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

Once again a thread about censorship invites comments that ignore the nuance of the situation. Having companies dictate what information is widely accessible is dangerous for democracy. Having the sitting president make completely baseless claims in an effort to delegitimize the results of an election because it didn’t go his way is also dangerous for democracy. That’s what we call a tricky situation. We don’t have a…

"Dangerous for democracy" sounds like one of those contentless phrases that can be used to justify anything. The late 2010s/2020s version of all the patriotic jingoism thrown around post 9/11.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by txmachinery »

misiti3780 wrote: post #90

Is there any article or video out there that outlines a compelling case of how massive election fraud could have even occurred ? I do believe some election fraud happened, how could it not with 150MM voters in this past election. But I have yet to read a single article that could outline any explanation for how democrats stole 8MM votes so Trump lost, but did not change down-ballot votes so that they also lost house…

Not an article, but a large amount of well-organised evidence (not great on mobile):

https://hereistheevidence.com

CodeMonkeyZ on Twitter is biased, but links to interesting material nonetheless, such as excerpts from Dominion software manuals describing such oddities as vote tallies stored as floating point rather than integer values (seriously?).

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by macksd »

GordonS wrote: post #400

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

> I don't like private companies getting to decide what's truthful and what's not, but it's not like the US government is doing a better job

If the responsibility has to lie with either one (to police other people's truth, I mean - both have a responsibility not to spew the garbage themselves) then we're screwed. If a majority of the population simply doesn't have the critical thinking and background knowledge necessary to weed out fake news, democracy simply can't work. I would argue we're there in the United States. Too much bias for us to recover from our current politics without very significant changes to our system and / or the population.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by ketzo »

briefcomment wrote: post #428
GordonS wrote: post #400

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

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The election is over. Right wing media is claiming that it's not. That's a lie. End of story.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by AlexandrB »

GordonS wrote: post #400

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

Whatever you think of Trump's politics, I think it's safe to say that his time in office has set a series of very bad precedents for the US political process. This is just the latest in that series. I agree that this is the "least worst" choice in the short term, but it fails to address what I think are the core problems with Youtube w.r.t. radicalization and fake news while setting a precedent for blocking political content in the future.

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Post by feoren »

macspoofing wrote: post #4

For God's sakes ... What underpins this need for social media companies to virtue signal about protecting 'election integrity' is the false notion that 2016 was stolen from Hillary by the Russians - a claim that had no evidential support (and no, that some trolls bought a minuscule amount of Facebook ads does not raise this claim to that level) but the entire Democratic party, with media allies, promulgated for the l…

It's weird to me that we still have people that still cling to the idea that censorship and curation of content is always evil and every site on the Internet should allow completely unmoderated speech, when we've seen over and over and over that such sites always devolve into festering echo-chambers of hatred and racism. Always. Every time.

Not only are you conveniently ignoring that reality, but you're also ignoring the fact that humans are humans. False information is much more powerful than true information, and "making up your own mind" is simply not possible when you are bombarded with orders of magnitude more false information that has been carefully constructed and self-selected to misinform you and appeal to your emotions.

Stop. Just stop. You're not helping. You're not enlightened. You're part of the problem.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by UncleMeat »

singlow wrote: post #330

If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…

> some impartial account of what really happened

We do see students, even at the college level, claiming that the high quality academic writing they are assigned in curricula is "liberal indoctrination". This method does not function because even the most well researched academic study of these topics can be simply rejected out of hand by students who have been fed lies about the very structure of education.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by linuxftw »

GordonS wrote: post #400

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

Do you yourself have first hand knowledge that what is being said are lies, or are you relying on a 3rd party media source to determine what's real and what isn't?

> he's personally profiting hugely, while brainwashing them and whipping them up into frenzy

Who's being whipped up into a frenzy, how do you know this to be true? Did you see it on... the news? Members of which political party recently participated in wide-spread property crime (aka 'peaceful protests' depending on which 'news' organization you follow)?

Can't you see how applying one set of standards to your preferred political views and another to those you disagree with is hypocritical?

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by vecinu »

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

I have a hard time understanding how this view can be held when we know that there is "censorship" and "moderation" happening in EVERYTHING we do online.

There is a reason you can't find snuff films, pornography, abuse or other exceptionally offensive videos on YouTube. You have to go on some shady websites to get to that kind of content and I'm sure even there some censorship happens so the admins are not legally liable for content.

How about text? Highly classified government information and informant data can put peoples' lives at risk so some text must be "moderated".

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by content_sesh »

So what exactly is the problem here? Youtube (and capital in general) don't like the idea of a contested election leading to political uncertainty and they're using their platforms to advocate for that position. DoorDash and Uber did effectively the same thing with Prop 22 in California; if that's OK then so is this.
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