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Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by woahAcademia »

zimpenfish wrote: post #367
woahAcademia wrote: post #262

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What makes MacOS good?

When they moved to HiDPI screens, everything worked. In contrast, when I moved my Windows 10 box to a 4K monitor, everything was unbelievably tiny until I set the system scaling to 300%. Which then broke some apps (far too large text, etc.) that I had to go through the "run in this scaling compatibility mode" debacle. Except some other apps still had small text and icons (looking at you, Chitubox!) which required the…

So you have more pain points with Windows 10 than Apple corporation?

My biggest pain are how Apple treats everyone, for the last 30 years. It's unbelievably frustrating.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by flyinglizard »

fsflover wrote: post #399
flyinglizard wrote: post #391

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Is their hardware really open source? Are they making money? Is a $799 phone with hardware that dates 5 years back considered a "viable consumer product", or is this a niche device that just shows how open source fails to produce viable consumer products?

See my reply above and check the FAQ: https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque... . > Is their hardware really open source? The phone is going to get Respects Your Freedom certification by the FSF.

Can I download a zip file which contains all of the phone’s engineering information, which I can then submit to Foxconn and manufacture millions?

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by cies »

whereistimbo wrote: post #444
cies wrote: post #434

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If you use Linux on an Apple laptop, you are less likely to use their software stores, mobile phones, tablets, headphones, etc. The integratedness of Apple's offerings depend on the control they have on both software and hardware. I think it's the integratedness that sells Apple's product.

But is amount of people that want to use Linux on an Apple laptop going to be relevant to Apple? Given most consumer would rather use preloaded OS and the state of the linux on the desktop, I don't really think it matters to Apple.

> I don't really think it matters to Apple [given] amount of people that want to use Linux on an Apple

Agreed. But the point I argues was that Apple does not care because they sell hardware either way. I think they care a lot their hardware is used to runt their software, as this is a big reason to sell more hardware.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by fsflover »

flyinglizard wrote: post #460
cbozeman wrote: post #427

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What's the point? You own it. You control it. YOU have the power. That's the damn point.

You have all the power but none of the utility.

You are spreading FUD. The phone can do almost everything, including 3D-games.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by fsflover »

flyinglizard wrote: post #462
fsflover wrote: post #399

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See my reply above and check the FAQ: https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque... . > Is their hardware really open source? The phone is going to get Respects Your Freedom certification by the FSF.

Can I download a zip file which contains all of the phone’s engineering information, which I can then submit to Foxconn and manufacture millions?

https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque...

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by rbanffy »

saagarjha wrote: post #465
rbanffy wrote: post #440

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That's kind of weird. What is it used for in iOS?

Nothing, but the DTK uses it.

Interesting. It's either that Apple wanted to use it as the first-gen ARM-based Macs or that they planned it to be used internally and in the DTK while M1 isn't ready.

Either way, it's quite impressive to have deliberately engineered dark silicon on consumer devices.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by MaxBarraclough »

j4yav wrote: post #438
MaxBarraclough wrote: post #414

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> everyone and their dog can attend some six weeks coding bootcamp or teach themselves using free and open resources and can then start contributing to open source code Perhaps this was intended to be hyperbolic, but no, you can't become a kernel developer, say, in six weeks. You can learn to dabble in web development in that time, but you'll barely have taken the first step toward being a serious software engineer.

They said that it was possible to contribute to open source, which is surely true. Not that they could be a kernel developer.

Granted, but six weeks is easily long enough to learn how to assemble a computer, or to do basic soldering. If we're going to compare hardware skills and software skills, let's do so in a reasonable way. If we're talking about building a new system from the ground up, I think the comparison to kernel development is about right.

Much skill is needed to make a serious contribution to an open hardware project, but the same is true for many types of software.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by simonh »

fsflover wrote: post #419
simonh wrote: post #413

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Can make calls sometimes and being reliable are I suppose a matter of experience and opinion. https://www.techrepublic.com/article/librem-5-review-the-lin...

This is not a review of the mass production batch (Evergreen). Please stop spreading FUD. Evergreen started shipping in November. Some people received theirs recently: https://forums.puri.sm/t/received-my-librem-5-evergreen/1087... https://www.reddit.com/r/Purism/comments/jzj6s1/i_have_recei...

Ok, it looks like you're quite right I'm out of date. My apologies.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Post by foldr »

amelius wrote: post #437
mschuster91 wrote: post #394

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Which isn't free (and easy to use!) either. And I forgot about another thing too: the supply of people. While everyone and their dog can attend some six weeks coding bootcamp or teach themselves using free and open resources and can then start contributing to open source code, dealing with hardware requires a good education in fundamental physics, good amounts of money for components and tooling (a good soldering iro…

I don't think you understand very well how hardware design works. Most hardware designers write code just like software developers. Most of them have never used a hot air gun, and most of them can't explain in much detail how a transistor works at the physical level (they learned this once in their education, but have since forgotten, simply because they don't need to know this in their daytime jobs). Yes, once you n…

PCB design doesn't involve much coding. It's typically done in a semi-manual way using a CAD-like interface. Here's an example for a simple board:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b1UdOmxVrw

There is, as yet, no magical piece of software that automatically produces good layouts - not even for simple designs like this where signal integrity is of little concern.

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