Why is Apple acting like an asshole? • Hacker News Board

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by Razengan » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 7:40 AM UTC

reportgunner wrote: post #459

It is beyond me why people still think Apple is good for them. edit: perhaps one of these have something to do with it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome

and pretty sure comments like that break a few guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

If not, @dang: Can HN have a rule against such low-quality hyperbole?

It serves no purpose but to sour any chance to have a "conversation".

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by fooker » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 7:49 AM UTC

matheusmoreira wrote: post #316

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #304

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Sure, if they're statically compiled with no non-kernel dependencies whatsoever. Once Linux userspace gets involved it is a shitshow.

Right. Most Linux user space software actually subscribes to the Apple philosophy of breaking everything in the name of progress. From what I've read, even GNU rejects binary compatibility concerns because to do otherwise would help proprietary software, sometimes resulting in breakages in vital stuff like glibc. > statically compiled with no non-kernel dependencies whatsoever I'd love that. Would be great if we coul…

This makes fixable library bugs more or less impossible to fix.

Look at how many DLLs get updated in a typical windows security update.

Most of those would have been permanent security vulnerabilities if everything was statically linked.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by alias_neo » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 8:23 AM UTC

tracer4201 wrote: post #433

alias_neo wrote: post #91

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People have different opinions on the use of profanity. It's a language tool, like any other, and I find in my use of it, it expresses sentiment quite clearly, whether that be humour or frustration. The article is the author's speech, it is their choice to use or not use language tools as they desire, but I ask you this. How would you title the article while maintaining the clear and concise form? I don't believe pro…

I’ll counter your question with a question of my own. How would you title a document at your work that’s trying to convey that some process or practice doesn’t help customers and burns trust? I’m not saying we need the same decorum in personal writing. But I am stating there’s another way to make the argument.

Of course we write professionally at work. But that's work, and there is a level of bullshit required in all professional writing, because that is what is required.

This isn't work, this is a personal blog, where someone is clearly and concisely expressing how many people feel using language that many people can relate to.

I'm sure many have made the same argument before, and many feel the same way about Apple and its tactics, however, this one is ranking high on HN right now because it has a title which clicks with people's frustration. Apple's being an "asshole", there's no need to mince words.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by romanoderoma » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 9:03 AM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #424

romanoderoma wrote: post #347

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It's the main vector for malware on Apple phones (and mac laptops)

Most malware is installed consensually, not as the result of bugs.

So the only solution is to remove the computation from computation devices.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by reportgunner » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 9:03 AM UTC

Razengan wrote: post #461

reportgunner wrote: post #459

It is beyond me why people still think Apple is good for them. edit: perhaps one of these have something to do with it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome and pretty sure comments like that break a few guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html If not, @dang: Can HN have a rule against such low-quality hyperbole? It serves no purpose but to sour any chance to have a "conversation".

I'm sorry, who is the tall poppy here in your opinion?

There is awfully little information in your link so I don't really get how it's related.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by spiderfarmer » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 9:14 AM UTC

tekknik wrote: post #437

spiderfarmer wrote: post #267

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If Apple would make it so that websites can’t request to enable notifications, but only via manual user action, I’d still prefer that to developing an entire app to fit that goal.

You’re very much making this out to be more difficult than it actually is. If you’re a webdev throw a web browser frame in, or use react native, or just spend the few hours it takes to learn how to setup and app and push notifications and add a bullet point to your resume.

Not sure what I need a resume for. I'll probably never work for an employer and I think I'm a better farmer than a webdev.

I know how to design and build things with my hands. I also know how to design logos, websites and other things. I can code and enjoy building and maintaining the network of websites I built in the past 15 years.

But I feel I'm spreading myself too thin when I'm also learning to code in React or Dart (Flutter) for a single one-off project. I fear I won't be able to put in the hours required to become adequately proficient in another field that's constantly changing.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by camillomiller » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 9:14 AM UTC

camillomiller wrote: post #72

My take. Developers will be positively surprised today to find out how fast their app updates will hit the store if their app is already in the App Store. Apple could have released everything next Friday, including products that need the new iOS, but decided to pull the trigger right away. They MUST have a plan on why acting like this make sense. Still, it's 2020, so maybe I'm wrong and it's just another sign of the…

Just replying to my own comment to point out that iOS 14 is out since 12 hrs, more or less, and the world hasn't ended, nor the users have taken to the streets pitchforks in hand.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by spiderfarmer » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 9:15 AM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #290

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #252

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> Yet you didn’t name any. Reddit, Trello, Twitter. Probably Discord and Slack too. I haven't used Android in years but I certainly don't see why these wouldn't work as web apps if you had push notifications. All the functionality is there.

And none of those companies thought the web app was good enough to eschew native apps on Android. Why is that?

Because they have the budgets to do both.

That's why you're asking the wrong question.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by spiderfarmer » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 9:18 AM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #293

spiderfarmer wrote: post #261

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Why rephrase the question? Lots of apps could have been just a webapp. It doesn’t have to be popular or succesful to prove that point, because it’s the smaller apps / teams like my one man company that would profit the most. Let larger companies spend their money on squeezing out maximum performance via native code. And let me use the browser for the 10k users of my app.

If the argument is that Apple is holding back PWAs, then there should be a lot of corresponding web only apps on Android that are forced to be native on iOS. The developers would have a web app anyway for the desktop so you should see a lot of apps that are PWA apps with iOS apps.

Why should there be? There are thousands of webdevs who weren't 'forced' to be native on iOS, because they don't have knowledge and budget to be native.

You're asking the wrong question.

Re: Why is Apple acting like an asshole?

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Post by spiderfarmer » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 9:24 AM UTC

oarsinsync wrote: post #318

spiderfarmer wrote: post #216

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I am 100% convinced that mobile Safari is worse for the future of the web than IE6 ever was. And it’s 100% intentional.

Can you elaborate on what you foresee happening, and why?

On top of the now years old and still not implemented notification API, Apple recently declined to implement 16 other PWA API's, citing privacy concerns.

They could make every API opt-in or propose improvements, but they won't.

With IE6, people were at least allowed to install more capable browsers. With iOS there are no other browsers. Only user interfaces around Safari webviews.