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Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Post by donor20 »

unethical_ban wrote: post #343
donor20 wrote: post #68

Wow - top posts are conspiracy theories. "The only reason to do this..." "This is a security issue..." Google has millions / billions of users. From a security standpoint the focus should be entirely on the root domain, that is the only really meaningful root of trust. If you are talking about a security issue - the KEY security issue is ANY lack of clarity around root domain. "Showing the full URL may detract from t…

They could emphasize the FQDN without removing the URL.

People (at least some %) just trigger on see the company name in the bar - if I gave a pop quick to all your relatives do you think they could accruately manager to describe all the separators and what they mean? ?&/: etc?

They've wanted to remove the URL for AT LEAST 6 years - it's been a well known issue inside google that URL's dont' do a good job showing orgin info.

Didn't they have the origin chip idea way back?

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Post by donor20 »

kevingadd wrote: post #190
donor20 wrote: post #68

Wow - top posts are conspiracy theories. "The only reason to do this..." "This is a security issue..." Google has millions / billions of users. From a security standpoint the focus should be entirely on the root domain, that is the only really meaningful root of trust. If you are talking about a security issue - the KEY security issue is ANY lack of clarity around root domain. "Showing the full URL may detract from t…

Domains are only a meaningful root of trust if they're tightly controlled by a small set of people. A piece of content being on 'news.ycombinator.com' or 'github.com' literally tells me nothing about how trustworthy it is. In the case of yc, i have to look at the poster, and the actual content, and the replies to it. For github, I have to look at things like who posted the code and which repository it's in - both thi…

100% false. If you login to news.ycombinator.com it's unlikely you are logging into a fishing site for ycombinator. If you login to github.com - again, very unlikely github is running a phishing scam on you.

Do folks not understand the importance of this?

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Post by newbalance »

Feel like this is similar to a future self-driving Google car depositing me at my destination, but without telling me the address itself. We're here.

For me personally, this makes it official, I need to keep my guard up at all times when using anything Google.

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Post by rnet85 »

AnonHP wrote: post #2

I get emails from some banks with instructions to spot phishing. One of those is to look at the full URL in emails or on websites to know if it’s authentic or not. For better or worse, the URL scheme is what we have to identify websites and pages. Hiding that on larger screens doesn’t make much sense. It also hinders learning for the next generation.

This has been the standard on safari for years. Are you saying that people who use safari suffer from those problems?

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Post by themacguffinman »

tyingq wrote: post #455
themacguffinman wrote: post #454

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which has nothing to do with the feature discussed in this thread, which is to hide non-domain parts of the URL. What you're referring to is the Signed Exchanges proposal.

Splitting up your plan into discrete parts that seem relatively inert on their own isn't a new thing. ANFO is a good example. And it's pretty easy to do this in a way that front line and low level MGMT Googlers wouldn't know. The AMP lead, for example, has posted here, and seems credible and very competent for his own intentions. I'm not convinced he's totally aware of the intentions of his leadership chain.

You're literally describing a conspiracy theory and dubiously speculating on malicious intentions. That's my point.

I'm saying that it's a wacky conspiracy theory that Google is hiding the non-domain parts of the URL to dominate the internet, and you come back with:

What if Google leadership was conspiring in such a secret, surreptitious way that middle management and possibly even the AMP lead doesn't know what's going on? What if this is just a small part of some grand plan?!

Is the treachery of domain-only URLs so deep that even Apple didn't realize they were carrying out pieces of Google's ultimate plan?

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Post by themacguffinman »

worble wrote: post #219
scott_s wrote: post #107

Something I haven't seen anyone here bring up yet: many URLs are meaningless to humans past the domain. For an example, look at the top of this page. The only semantic meaning in the URL for this post is `news.ycombinator.com`. The rest, `item?id=24156986`, is meaningless to a human. (But, of course, meaningful to HN's backend.) A lot of (most?) of the URLs on the web are not semantic . They're naked application look…

>The rest, `item?id=24156986`, is meaningless to a human Removing Url's is throwing the baby out with the bathwater though. Take Stack Overflow for an example: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/53302536/vue-test-utils-... The only thing you need to actually get to the question is https://stackoverflow.com/questions/53302536 , but they intentionally add an extra human readable section for laypeople. If google actual…

But this human readable section of the URL is primarily useful for reading outside the address bar, before you've loaded the page.

Eg. if someone pasted you the URL, you can kind of get an idea of what it's about by reading the URL in your instant messenger or something. Once you've loaded the page and the URL is displayed in your address bar, you'd be looking at the page itself to understand it rather than your address bar.

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Post by Gibbon1 »

rixtox wrote: post #468

Hiding the full URL will redirect a lot of traffics back to Google's search engine because people can't easily figure out the source from a screenshot anymore.

If google can get enough people to stop using url's then they can start building a walled garden.

Re: Google resumes its attack on the URL bar, hides full addresses on Chrome 86

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Post by mav3rick »

avasthe wrote: post #276
mav3rick wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, marketing was obsessed with the URL bar all this while.

Wrong logic. Marketing didn't see the opportunity to mislead people till now. Although in this case, it can be all about further abstracting the URL detail from end user, as I mentioned in another comment.

You are delusional and clearly have no idea about how the Chrome team works.
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