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Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by eru »

Barrin92 wrote: post #342
chaostheory wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why give China access to our domestic market when they refuse to give us access theirs? What do you propose then?

because not giving someone access to your market is stupid, in particular if you're not a developing country because there's nothing to be gained from protectionism, other than enabling the increasingly authoritarian tnedencies of the American government against its own citizens. Why does something need to be proposed at all, is the US threatened by zoomers doing funny dances on a smartphone app?

Even for developing countries it's stupid. Perhaps even more so for them.

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by eru »

chii wrote: post #311
baddox wrote: post #260

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> it's always struck me as unfair that Western social media companies are banned in China, while Chinese ones have been able to compete Worldwide. It’s weird to point out this double standard but then apparently take the side of both countries banning foreign media companies.

There's nothing weird about "an eye for an eye" approach. The fact that chinese media and tech companies are allowed to operate unhindered in the USA is what's really weird. Unfortunately, banning it in the USA is a bit of a pointless act imho.

If you want to use those metaphors, it's the Chinese who are poking out their own eyes, ie who are restricting what their customers can have access to.

That's a great injustice to the Chinese people. But Americans poking their own eyes out in 'retaliation' makes neither Americans nor Chinese customers better off.

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by bayesian_horse »

I'm divided about this. Banning TikTok can be seen as censorship and restricting the freedom of its users, some of which are in the US.

But it's also clear that TikTok is under the control of the CCP, at least to the extent the CCP wants that to be the case at any given time.

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by eru »

topicseed wrote: post #321
winstonmanor89 wrote: post #266

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Yes, no war drum needed, just be bilateral, they ban our shit, we ban there shit. They open their market, we open our market. Easy.

The problem is that if they had opened their market to foreign corporations, their own "shit" like you say, would never have been as great and strong (at least locally) as it is now. If you open your market too early and don't protect your own elements, they will get crushed and you will be at the mercy of other powers. Look at the UK, look at Germany, look at the EU... Having to please two superpowers and doing so b…

Is that the infant industry argument warmed up again?

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by eru »

winstonmanor89 wrote: post #266
mola wrote: post #261

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You could always that American companies expansion abroad could be considered imperialism. Let's just stop beating war drums.

Yes, no war drum needed, just be bilateral, they ban our shit, we ban there shit. They open their market, we open our market. Easy.

Just do unilateral free trade. Why would you restrict what your customers (ie citizens) can do, just because some despotic regime somewhere abuses their citizens?

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by bayesian_horse »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #106

Not even getting into the CCP ties, it's always struck me as unfair that Western social media companies are banned in China, while Chinese ones have been able to compete Worldwide. In a way this gives Chinese apps an immediate advantage (as some are indirectly calling out in this comment section). If you want to reach out to someone in China, you have to use a Chinese company's app. Since social media is mostly a win…

There are good arguments for banning or boycotting TikTok.

Lack of reciprocity is one of the weakest, I think.

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by chii »

eru wrote: post #462
chii wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing weird about "an eye for an eye" approach. The fact that chinese media and tech companies are allowed to operate unhindered in the USA is what's really weird. Unfortunately, banning it in the USA is a bit of a pointless act imho.

If you want to use those metaphors, it's the Chinese who are poking out their own eyes, ie who are restricting what their customers can have access to. That's a great injustice to the Chinese people. But Americans poking their own eyes out in 'retaliation' makes neither Americans nor Chinese customers better off.

> neither Americans nor Chinese customers better off.

who said anything about making customers better off? it's done to hurt the other party's profit and expansion and influence.

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by eru »

chillacy wrote: post #245
tchaffee wrote: post #86

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Because we live in a relatively free country where the government doesn't choose what software we buy or use.

This is sort of similar to tarrifs no? The government selectively (through lobbyists and deals) picks which types of things are taxed (sometimes to unprofitability). Other things are banned entirely. Not saying Kinder Eggs would be missed as much as Tik Tok, but this is historically something the government does.

Yes, it's similar to tariffs. Tariffs are a bad idea, and so is this ban.

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by DuskStar »

xvector wrote: post #359
quacker wrote: post #206

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It is evident to the whole world that the US doesn't want to compete at the level of high technology, which is what the Chinese have achieved in the last couple of years Not sure where this is coming from. TikTok is being banned out of national security interests, not because it is an advanced level of technology that the US thinks it can't compete with.

> TikTok is being banned out of national security interests I think you meant to say “a thinly-veiled guise of national security interests.” TikTok is being banned because it’s election season and Trump doesn’t want a repeat of Tulsa.

And yet, the US is not the first country to ban TikTok for national security reasons, if I'm remembering India's recent actions correctly.
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