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Google Blew a Ten-Year Lead

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Re: Google Blew a Ten-Year Lead

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post #95

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> The thing of stuff just stagnating and no care to scrub the rough corners is crazy. On the outset, you might think with such ridiculously high compensation there would be an expectation of quality, but I think that's an error. Google operates as an ad-company that happens to employ ridiculous amounts of exhorbitantly compensated individuals to engage in market and technological research, particularly to open or exp…

mail, docs, drive et al ... they created them to _open a new market_ for advertising This seems obviously false. Google clearly monetizes gsuite as a paid service, and "everyone uses the same service at home that they do at work" has clear advantages, whether or not there is advertising in your gmail. Advertising in (consumer) gmail came long after paid gsuite (or "google apps for domains", as they called it then - h…

> This seems obviously false. Google clearly monetizes gsuite

It's not obviously false when advertising makes up something like 80%+ of their revenue:

https://theatlas.com/charts/n8ea9MPE0

Re: Google Blew a Ten-Year Lead

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post #170

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> Now it looks like office 365 is going to be the cloud editing future for word / excel type needs You are in for a surprise. Office 365 (at least Excel and Word) looks like a toy compared to the desktop versions. I'm not talking about niche features or VBA, I'm talking about things like naming a table, which is explicitly only supported in the desktop version. Ah, of course! You need the table's name to use it in th…

If you need power features, you should be using the desktop version... The web version is intended for basic/common use cases, not power user functions.

Except that Microsoft's discourse states otherwise to its business customers :)

Re: Google Blew a Ten-Year Lead

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post #170

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> Now it looks like office 365 is going to be the cloud editing future for word / excel type needs You are in for a surprise. Office 365 (at least Excel and Word) looks like a toy compared to the desktop versions. I'm not talking about niche features or VBA, I'm talking about things like naming a table, which is explicitly only supported in the desktop version. Ah, of course! You need the table's name to use it in th…

>You are in for a surprise. Here's another Office 365 Web surprise. Last week we had 5 team members working in a shared Word document with track-changes; A) There is no "view final markup" option, and B) after a while the web-app crawled to a halt.

We've had some bugs with loss of recent modifications to some spreadsheets when several users modify it collaboratively (Google Sheets-style). It sucks, unfortunately.

Re: Google Blew a Ten-Year Lead

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> Then, people would just focus on making stuff better And yet, Netflix had autoplaying videos at full volume that didn't even show trailers, but some random snippet from the movie/show

I actually close Netflix because of this. However, Netflix is full of smart people, so I have to assume that they've tested it and it increases engagement. Perhaps we're the outliers.

> they've tested it and it increases engagement

That's the key: engagement. Which is basically "how many times a user interacts with objects on screen". This says nothing about whether a product is good or bad. In case of Netflix, no doubt, engagement was through the roof as users scrambled to mute, pause, or move to the next screen.

Re: Google Blew a Ten-Year Lead

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Google is only good at search. The only reason why I use everything else they create is because of their massive distribution, market penetration and inter-operability. Thankfully there are solid alternatives in certain areas like fore example using iPhone instead of Android. But for everything else I don't see a massive migration happening any time soon. Notion, Hey.com, DuckDuckGo are all niche products. My dad has…

Google maps is still pretty amazing. Maps and search are the only two Google products I still struggle to move away from. (I am a big fan of Play Music too but of course they killed it.)

Yeah, I love google maps. It has saved me a ton of hours routing me around what I assume were multi-lane car crashes. Also, I really like exploring cities with their 3d maps and I've heard google earth VR is amazing which I want to try sometime.

Re: Google Blew a Ten-Year Lead

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No kidding. Early adopter of gsuite for domains (work and personal email). The google home devices CANNOT get your calendar from your google calendar. My Alexa device can easily. The thing of stuff just stagnating and no care to scrub the rough corners is crazy. They have some things they keep on improving. I think youtube is there (after the dumped plus thank goodness). Chrome seems to be moving along nicely. I used…

Youtube is a slow boated Javascript mess.

I've been using invidio.us and mpv for more and more of my Youtube consumption, especially after it started becoming terribly unstable under Firefox.

Re: Google Blew a Ten-Year Lead

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Google has an Engineer-driven gene that is a double-edge sword. This enabled them to utilize worlds' most brilliant minds to solve some of the most technically challenging problems. But at the same time, the best engineers lose their interests and quickly move away from "plain and easy" problems, which in fact the consumers face everyday. And the straight-forward logical engineering mindset is often naive in understanding and solving deep human and societal problems. This is why Google has been notoriously good at solving technical problems like search and massive distributed systems, but bad at designing and improving consumer and social products. On the contrary, Apple has been relentless about improving even the tiniest thing in the user experience like a round corner on an icon. Google's lack of drive on delivering the best user experience will eventually bite them hard.

Re: Google Blew a Ten-Year Lead

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post #417

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So there are at least a few things here: 1) A 'cost calculator' will be a hugely sensitive product, that is absolutely in the domain of sales, it has nothing to do with dev. So many sales issues around that - this will be the primary issue with such a product. 2) Just because some people like it doesn't mean it's worth maintaining. Maybe it is, maybe it's not. Paradoxically, because it was such a marketing/sales focu…

> 1) A 'cost calculator' will be a hugely sensitive product, that is absolutely in the domain of sales, it has nothing to do with dev. So many sales issues around that - this will be the primary issue with such a product. I can't tell what you're alluding to with "hugely sensitive", and "many sales issues around it". Could you clarify a concrete example these fuzzy expressions describe?

Very few products and services in this world are commodities to the point wherein you just 'add up the cost'.

In fact, I can hardly think of a serious product or service quite like this. Not even cars are like this. You have maintenance, resale, insurance and financing to consider.

This idea of an easy, objective way to 'calculate costs' is never really quite possible.

There are usually going to be some degree of Apples-to-Oranges comparisons, situations wherein small issues make a big difference. You want a sales person to be there to make sure that your potential customer is aware of the options.

In addition, there is of course the 'Total Cost of Ownership' - meaning that much of the 'cost' of something is not apparent in the calculation. Training, support, etc.. On the far end of that spectrum you have the strategic issues such as vendor lock-in etc..

So, even just trying to establish a fairly objective 'true cost' calculation will be hard.

Next, you have the fact that most enterprise sales are not 'off-the-shelf' - pricing is subject to negotiation, which can vary a lot. This makes it difficult to set price.

Then, you have communications issues around a sale - these are complicated products, the last thing you ever want is for customers inputting some information, and getting the wrong numbers back, or the wrong impression. If there is any money involved, it's worth the time to talk to a sales person to smooth over issues.

Finally, is of course the sales organisations ability to pitch, sell and spin. Of course this includes the shifty areas wherein the team will want to sell a service even when they know they are not the best option.

So a 'raw cost calculator' is possibly just a big, risky bit of possible misinformation and lost opportunity to make a sale.

The 'technical' aspect of making a 'cost calculator' is completely mundane to the point of being irrelevant. In fact, Google Engineers might be too overqualified to even do such a thing.

I see a 'cost calculator' has having two completely different roles:

1) As a 'sales lead' - something new customers can input information into, which is going to almost assuredly give them a good perspective, but wherein the true and only purpose of the calculator is to generate a lead, so that a sales person can chime in.

2) A customer-centric calculator, for established customers that is tuned to their account status and discounts and let's the IT manager or business lead do projections on the service.

Re: Google Blew a Ten-Year Lead

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post #32

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Privacy conscious yet uses Zoom. Hmm

Zoom is now offering e2e encryption for all users. What exactly do you have problem with?

They have a history.

- running a secret local server on client machines (which incidentally led to several vulnerabilities including the one that enabled attackers to gain webcam and audio access, as well as login credentials)

- lying about e2e encryption (or if you give them the benefit of the doubt, at the very least being disingenuous about it)

- routing all calls through servers in China

- not being explicit about the many conditions that disabled encryption (such as having a participant call in from a phone, recording the session, etc)

- widespread data collection for targeting purposes

- sharing said data with Facebook

- automatically reinstalling the client after you have tried to delete it

- a shady installer that uses preinstall scripts to install the app without the user ever having to click “install”

- gaining root access in their installer

- overriding the password prompt message to make it seem like the system is requesting admin rights and not Zoom itself

Many of these have been patched, to Zoom’s credit, and others have been explained away. But you can’t look at a company with a history like that and say that Zoom would knowingly be the app of choice for a privacy conscious user.

Re: Google Blew a Ten-Year Lead

#470
One of the problems with Google is that it’s hard to evangelize their products anymore.

I used to evangelize Macs with my friends and family, since the mid 2000s (before the iPhone revolution) and it served me and the people I pushed it to well. At least until a few years ago with the whole new MBP fiasco with the touchbar and butterfly keyboard and no ports and a minimum price in the mid 2000s. But it’s hardware and people can continue using what they already own for the most part till Apple fixed a lot of those issues.

But with Google I have been burnt. A lot. I got my family on Picasa to share photos, and Google stopped supporting it. Personally, Google Reader always stings. And whatever google did with GChat and Hangouts, which I pushed on all my friends, was embarrassing.

At least I gave up on recommending Google products before Allo and Duo. My friends who did that turn red when they are mentioned to this day.

And then there’s GSuite. A clients company switched wholesale on my recommendation right at the beginning. They’ve been using it for almost its entire existence (right from the days when it was Google Apps? and the first 10 users were free). They’ve been spending a ton of money on it for so long, but they couldn’t get a Google rep to offer them a discount on 5 accounts (basically they wanted tiered access and did not want to bring everyone onto the most expensive plans because a few users were not full time employees and using it for very basic purposes). It was a matter of a few hundred dollars a year, but between the fact that they could hardly get a rep to talk to them, and when they did the reps had absolutely no flexibility, MS reps swooped in, offered tiered access, discounts, and a full time rep and within a couple of months they were a complete O365 shop.

They still miss their email search, but overall it’s been completely worth it.

It’s still mind boggling to me how Google’s managed to screw this up.

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