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Facebook to let users turn off political adverts

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Re: Facebook to let users turn off political adverts

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> Republicans will block Democrat ads - will that lead to a better world when Republicans can't reach Democrat voters or vice versa? The piece indicates that there will be an option off political ads entirely, not to block political ads by partisan affiliation. (The latter is both more complex to even superficially inplement and would be rather ineffective because SuperPAC ads are formally unaffiliated with either pa…

> The ones who persist after correction are doing it intentionally and tactically, though. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with depriving Democrats of their consciously manipulative branding and their unearned rhetorical monopoly on 'Democracy'. To suggest otherwise speaks volumes about one's desire to control language, and a rather anti-Democratic disposition.

You say "branding" as if the names of BOTH parties don't stretch back to the early days of our democracy. If you object to a party including "Democratic" in their name, complain to Thomas Jefferson.

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News with no political connotations is fluff.

That's myopic. There is all sorts of news, local news in particular, that has clear utility but tenuous political implications. Traffic and weather reports come to mind as clear examples.

This website has a lot of non-political news itself, e.g. freebsd 11.4 is out etc

Re: Facebook to let users turn off political adverts

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This has ethical reprecussions on the news ecosystem because whichever keywords/mentions that Facebook dictates as political will be targeted by news organizations to avoid. These organizations will strip normal news of any political connotations which is frightening because the news, although mostly a pile of noise today, is supposed to have signals to keep democracies in line by design.

I would argue that stripping news of political connotations would be a plus. I wish all news was reported this way.

Almost as if objective reporting had some sort of value...

Re: Facebook to let users turn off political adverts

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It's a good feature from an individual perspective. It's not a good feature if you don't like cultural bubbles forming. Democrats will block Republican ads, Republicans will block Democrat ads - will that lead to a better world when Republicans can't reach Democrat voters or vice versa? I find this focus (attack?) on political advertising on social media platforms by traditional media companies to be self-serving and…

IMO political ads should be banned from all platforms, as a law. It is insane that candidates who have more money and funding will in turn have more reach. This is antidemocratic.

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> I think you severely underestimate what constitutes classifying something as political. You are over-thinking this. Just filtering obvious political stuff would be a massive help: - Mentions of politicians - Key words: Liberal, Conservative, Right-wing, etc etc - Material re-shared from political parties/ candidates/ movements. Just that would be a giant help. Allowing users to set their own filters would be a mass…

There are a ton of browser extensions that do all this already

Browser plug ins only go so far, they can't add back in content which Facebook filters out of your feed using its own profit seeking logic.

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I'd be fine if any post with references to "liberal amounts", "conservative approaches", or "right wing nut" was excised because my friends don't talk that way when they are posting pictures of their kids or the bike they just bought. > For every problem, there is a simple solution that is wrong. As with most flippant axioms and generalities this catch-phrase is quite often just wrong. Often there are simple solution…

Honestly, sounds like social media just isn't for you or you have a friend's group that you need to curate.

I have mostly ditched Facebook (and don't miss it). Considering the piles of studies which suggest people are happier when they drop Facebook, it's hard to argue Facebook in its current state is right for anyone.

Re: Facebook to let users turn off political adverts

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I'd also love a feature that lets me block non-advertising political content. A lot of people like to use Facebook as a political soapbox. That's not what I want out of it. I want to stay connected to people, hear updates, socialize, etc. Some people push it so far that the solution of unfriending them is easy. But not everybody is so egregious that I want the nuclear option. (For example, relatives who are vocal abo…

What is political content? Is news about the protests political? Is a statement by the president? Is a new law going in to effect political? Is someone commenting about wearing masks political? > Text classification is a thing, and there are many other techniques, so it seems possible to recognize political content with some reasonable level of accuracy and show me a lot less of that. I think you severely underestima…

Honestly, it would be fine to just block re-shares of posts from politicians and the sorts of account that literally only talk politics.

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> Republicans will block Democrat ads - will that lead to a better world when Republicans can't reach Democrat voters or vice versa? The piece indicates that there will be an option off political ads entirely, not to block political ads by partisan affiliation. (The latter is both more complex to even superficially inplement and would be rather ineffective because SuperPAC ads are formally unaffiliated with either pa…

Yes, but Republicans consistently use the term 'Democrat' instead of 'Democratic' because they don't want to imply that Democrats have a connection to the concept of Democracy. It's a shibboleth; folks who instinctively say "Democrat" are reliably far-right.

It’s because “democratic” is only an adjective while “republican” can also be a noun. Does it make sense to say “The democratics oppose this legislation?” No.

Before you all downvote this, check Webster dictionary if you don’t believe me.

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> Watch The Great Hack. 1. I've watched it. 2. You need to actually summarize here why it corroborates your argument. If I am attempting to refute your point of view, "Google it" is an extremely unconvincing line of argument. 3. Again, I provided you my sources directly, which show that it has already been reported that CA's impact on the 2016 election has been greatly overstated. > It's about targeting swing voters…

>You cannot conflate persuasion with "buying votes". You don't think money is persuasive? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent

Money, on its own, carries no persuasion whatsoever — unless you're bribing people to vote for someone (which is illegal[1]). In reality, money buys you a platform to sell your ideas, some people like those ideas, and THAT'S what results in votes.

If you don't believe me, I'll start with anecdotes, and then close with data.

Hillary Clinton outspent Donald Trump by 2x in the 2016 election, and still lost. In fact, she had far more corporate backing than Donald Trump, and still lost.

In the 2020 Democratic Primaries, Michael Bloomberg spent $1 billion (!!) on his campaign, and won just 9.4% of the popular vote (1.38% of pledged delegates).

Tom Steyer (a no-name billionaire), spent $343 million on his election, and won a humiliating 0.38% of the popular vote (0% of pledged delegates). Interestingly, you would think he would have at least 1/3 of Bloomberg's vote, which suggests that the vast majority of the variance in Bloomberg's vote share can be attributed to his existing name recognition as a famous businessman/politician. No amount of money was enough to make their core message resonate with ordinary voters.

Bernie Sanders spent $195 million on his election, having spent less than Bloomberg + Steyer and while having handily beaten both. Joe Biden spent $105 million on his campaign, less than Bernie, and still beat him by 3 million votes.

Elizabeth Warren spent $121.31 million on her campaign, and also handily beat Bloomberg + Steyer while having spent far less than them, while losing to Biden while having spent more than him.

Those are just the anecdotes (of which there are many more).

Decades of research[2] suggest that money probably isn’t the deciding factor in who wins a general election, and especially not for incumbents. Most of the research in the last century found[3] that spending didn’t affect wins for incumbents and that the impact for challengers was unclear[4]. Even the studies[5] that showed spending having the biggest effect, like one that found a more than 6 percent increase in vote share for incumbents, didn’t demonstrate that money actually causes wins. In fact, those gains from spending likely translate to less of an advantage today, in a time period where voters are more stridently partisan. There are probably fewer and fewer people who are going to change their vote because they liked your ad.

Yes, money helps you broadcast your message. If your message resonates, you can even win elections (what a concept). But money alone isn't persuasive.

[1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/597

[2] https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2605401

[3] https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0002764203260415

[4] https://www.jstor.org/stable/2138764?seq=1#metadata_info_tab...

[5] http://www.sas.rochester.edu/psc/clarke/214/Gerber98.pdf

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