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So, why is this encouraging and helpful message being downvoted into gray? I can only assume some salty graduates are lashing out. Don't do that to yourself, i.e. living bitter and angry. Engage with those you disagree with by conversing. Correct them or be corrected and learn.
I got to say I have given up worrying about why people are downvoting what I say, I do have a suspicion that I have a couple people who when they see my name automatically downvote - oh it's that guy again - although I don't think they search me out to downvote either. on edit: at any rate I upvoted it as you're right, seems an encouraging nice message.
Career advice for people with bad luck
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Re: Career advice for people with bad luck
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You probably already know that, but sometimes it helps to hear it again: The world is a competitive place, and a lot of success factors are outside of your control. (timing, pre-existing resources, sheer luck) What you can control is exactly what you are already doing: Work really hard and make the best of what you have. Come up with a good long term plan and execute it. Do life decisions that help with that plan. Th…
Disclaimer: I don't know much about 3rd world countries other than my recent trip to Africa and talking to some locals there. In short I've learned: access to healthcare is completely and utterly fucked (this is why maximum age seems to be 40 in the villages that I went to), getting food is a struggle but doable if you know what you're doing (you just plant stuff somewhere and hope it doesn't get robbed), you'll have…
Thank you for stepping out of your comfort zone and actually visiting a non-touristy place.
It is unclear what the definition of a 3rd world country is. It has different meanings depending on cultural context. see also https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/third-world.asp
> your advice looks like its written for an American, not someone who lives in a 3rd world country.
My advice was written for someone with a university CS degree, years of experience in his profession, and an actual job offer that might still be honored. That goes a long way, especially in impoverished countries, where your odds of success are even more tied to the wealth of the family you were born in.
> that the world is a competitive place but a criminal one
Whether that's true or not, it's out of his control.
> There is no meritocracy in this world, only passports.
I agree. But a passport is a pre-existing resource, something you don't have a lot of control over. You can try to immigrate to another country, but that takes a long term plan again.
> Make the best of what you have in some cases can be translated to: try to fucking survive
That's true again. Families in Africa, who don't have a son with a CS degree, often pressure their strongest, smartest son, the future of the family, to embark on a very dangerous journey to Europe. The risk of dying along the way is fairly high, but the upside is huge for the whole family.
The person I responded to was worried about a job offer. He might need to work for less money in a job he hates again. It's all relative.
> I don't think everyone perceives life to be a game
My bad, I should have used an actual subject: career. And a career has many characteristics of a strategy game. Accepting the job offer was probably a good career move and it might still happen. It's not withdrawn yet. Even if it is, I can't think of a situation where it would help to stop doing the best you can.
> But since I see that you were downvoted I decided to take the time to explain how your comment seems to be missing the mark to me personally.
Appreciate that. It's interesting how people fill in context based on their own experiences and come up with assumptions. While it's true I'm currently based in the US, I wasn't born with this privilege.
Like many others in this thread, I posted some universal best practices you can apply in pretty much every part of the world to deal with inevitable setbacks. It worked for me in the past 2 recessions and I expect it to work again for this one. The person I responded to seemed to be in distress and I think building some resilience skills helps with that.
Re: Career advice for people with bad luck
#463Step 1: Get a well paying job at a big tech company. There is very little luck involved in this, just get really good at algorithms. No need for a famous school, specific degree etc. It requires intelligence, if you don't have that then you need luck. Step 2: Save more than two thirds of your take home salary, you can still live way better than the people sweeping the office floor. Step 3: You now have a ton of money…
Alright, can you get me a phone screen? Sorry to ask the question so directly, but I have applied since 2014, and I can't get to the phone screen. I'd love to be a frontend engineer, UX engineer, creative engineer (I've seen this role at Google, it looks awesome) or a full-stack engineer. I have: A bachelor in information science (2012) A bachelor degree in psychology (2015) A master in game-design where I learned ab…
https://codingcompetitions.withgoogle.com/codejam/schedule
If you don't have time to wait for the one next year then when you talk with Google recruiters they care a lot more about your chances to pass the interview than anything else, since they get evaluated by how well you do there. So selling your ability to pass these kinds of questions is a good idea, put everything related to algorithms etc on there. Did you do well in some competition? Have you solved some particularly hard problems? Did you build something impressive? Things like that.
Also be clear that you are open for relocation, specifically to the large hubs like London and Zurich since there are more jobs there. Otherwise the recruiter might look for jobs at your location and see no openings. This almost happened to one of my friends, but he managed to say that he would be fine working in Zurich instead and he got the job and now works there.
Re: Career advice for people with bad luck
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To dismiss as dangerous is silly. Here are the 12 rules. Rule 1: Stand up straight with your shoulders back Rule 2: Treat yourself like you would someone you are responsible for helping Rule 3: Make friends with people who want the best for you Rule 4: Compare yourself with who you were yesterday, not with who someone else is today Rule 5: Do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them Rule 6: Set y…
> Rule 2: Treat yourself like you would someone you are responsible for helping I've never seen someone turn the Golden Rule inward like this. I like it. > Rule 5: Do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them Other people will do what they do. The only thing you have control over is your own reaction. Most adults understand this. > Rule 6: Set your house in perfect order before you criticise the w…
It mentions studies (or parables? Who cares?) of people taking better care of their dogs post-surgery than they take of themselves. It rings true, and speaks to anyone who thinks or knows they aren't taking good enough care of themselves.
Has certainly been an enjoyable read so far.
Re: Career advice for people with bad luck
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To dismiss as dangerous is silly. Here are the 12 rules. Rule 1: Stand up straight with your shoulders back Rule 2: Treat yourself like you would someone you are responsible for helping Rule 3: Make friends with people who want the best for you Rule 4: Compare yourself with who you were yesterday, not with who someone else is today Rule 5: Do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them Rule 6: Set y…
Its interesting how wildly different in scope they are, as if its designed more to keep your attention than have meaningful advice. 1-4 are "respect yourself". 5 is.... I think legitimate bad advice as worded, but I'm sure as expounded it makes more sense. Maybe its designed as a hook (the "wtf" that drives views). 6-8 are general advice you'd find anywhere 9-11 are how to effectively deal with other people without s…
Re: Career advice for people with bad luck
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Other than HFT firms, tech companies here don't pay handsomely, so you need to look for other European countries. I've tried Google and Facebook for years (not in NL they aren't that big here and want specialized people, not graduates). You're right, I only tried Optiver 18 months ago. I should try all the others. I'm not too interested in HFT but the technical challenge sounds fun.
What about Google in Munich?
Re: Career advice for people with bad luck
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Alright, can you get me a phone screen? Sorry to ask the question so directly, but I have applied since 2014, and I can't get to the phone screen. I'd love to be a frontend engineer, UX engineer, creative engineer (I've seen this role at Google, it looks awesome) or a full-stack engineer. I have: A bachelor in information science (2012) A bachelor degree in psychology (2015) A master in game-design where I learned ab…
The most reliable way to get an interview at Google is to pass round 1 in Google code jam. So you need to first do the preliminary round, then get top 1000 in any of the round 1 competitions. That sounds harder than it is, I managed to do it without having taken algorithms courses after a few months of practicing. https://codingcompetitions.withgoogle.com/codejam/schedule If you don't have time to wait for the one ne…
> If you don't have time to wait for the one next year then when you talk with Google recruiters
I never got to speak to a Google recruiter. I simply get automated emails that they don't want to go through with me. But if I ever catch a hold of one, I'll apply these tips.
Re: Career advice for people with bad luck
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Most opinions and suggestions are based on the "standard path of success". If we use beauty contest as an analogy of success, only one will be the winner and all losers. In case of North American perspective, success looks like this: - Have good academic credentials - Have good big corporation names on your resume - Have good connections - Have nice car - Have nice house - Have kids, partner, etc. - Travel a lot when…
Well said. I was reading the responses, and seeing the implicit group consensus on what "success" looks like. The thing though is, your entire life outcome is based on luck. There is nothing you can really do to compensate for that, besides getting back up, brushing the dust of your knees, counting your blessings and keep going. List of things that are luck: 1) Where you were born in the wrong place at the wrong time…
You pick how you nurture yourself every day though. Nurture didn't magically stop on the second you became 18 (or 21 or whatever arbitrary number your country recognizes as becoming an adult).
Re: Career advice for people with bad luck
#469"If you're on a sinking ship, get off"
Re: Career advice for people with bad luck
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> 2. 12 Rules for Life - Jordan B Peterson A note on this, since mentioning Peterson tends to spark controversy: I think I think the people who get the best out of Peterson don't treat him as a guru issuing rules written in stone tablets (in spite of the implication of the book title) but as a provoker of attention/reflection. This is probably generally true of anyone, but especially worth considering here. I also te…
> I also tend to recommend his university course lectures over his public-directed material; I'm not sure why it seems more moderated, but I'd guess that professional accountability and contextual habits developed before fame have something to do with it. I've noticed the same thing. I think he's gotten into bad habits commenting on subjects outside of his area of expertise, but I did enjoy his YouTube lectures for t…
He's smart and thinks. That guy also just happens to be an expert in an area of knowledge.