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Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Sounds to me more like the ported programs were short lived - and IMO, in that they are not entirely wrong. Sure, Carbon and Rosetta certainly were no mean feat, and the drastic PPC/x86 break is something Microsoft never really had to deal with (heh, the biggest problem trying to run a PPC/MIPS/Alpha based NT application today is actually finding one :) ). But Apple never went to the same lengths as Microsoft regardi…

Carbon was declared obsolete in 2012 but wasn’t discontinued until 2019. Porting from PPC to x86 was relatively easy. But you’re also forgetting about the first transition - from 68K to PPC. Can you run the PPC version of any Windows NT apps?

I haven't forgotten anything, I just fail to see the relevance to this discussion. (68k? Really? That one's been dead for 14 years. And what is with you and NT on PPC? You really want to start comparing a 25 year old, short-lived, ultra-niche side version no one bought or even wrote software for with the "mainline"?)

I think you missed the entire point of my posting, i.e. that even outside the architecture changes long term compatibility was never even near the same level (and different arch often not even the culprit). Carbon being available doesn't help you a thing when old software still doesn't work.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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I feel like the difference with Markdown is that it's not meant to be a hidden source format. It's meant to take an existing WYSIWYG styled-text format—the one people use when trying to style text in plaintext e-mail or IM systems—and to give it a secondary rendering semantics corresponding to what people conventionally think their ASCII-art styling "means." If a Markdown parser breaks down, it's quite correct for it…

Whether or not it's intended to be a hidden source format, the fact remains that if it does not render reliably and repeatably , it's failing to do its job. Markdown's job is to be a human-readable, lightweight, unobtrusive way of communicating to software how to structure and format a document . It's one thing for a freshly-entered document to fail -- errors in markup occur and need to be corrected. It's another to…

> Markdown’s job is... communicating to software

No, that’s a misunderstanding. Markdown is, as I said, a formalization of existing practice. Nobody’s supposed to be “writing Markdown” (except computers that generate it.) You’re supposed to be writing plaintext styled text the same way you always have been in plaintext text inputs. Markdown is supposed to come along and pick up the pieces and turn them into rich text to the best of its ability. Where it fails, it leaves behind the original styled text, which retains the same communication semantics to other humans that the post-transformation rich text would.

The ideal Markdown parser isn’t a grammar/ruleset, but an ML system that understands, learns, and evolves over time with how humans use ASCII art to style plaintext. It’s an autoencoder between streams of ASCII-art text and the production of an AST. (In training such a system, it’d probably also learn—whether you’d like it to or not—to encode ASCII-art smilies as emoji; to encode entirely-parenthetical paragraphs as floating sidebars; to generate tables of contents; etc. These are all “in scope” for the concept of Markdown.)

In short: you aren’t supposed to learn Markdown; Markdown is supposed to learn you (the general “you”, i.e. humans who write in plaintext) and your way of expressing styles.

If there’s any required syntax in Markdown that a human unversed in Markdown wouldn’t understand at first glance as part of a plaintext e-mail, then Markdown as a project has failed. (This is partly why Markdown doesn’t cover every potentially kind of formatting: some rich-text formatting tags just don’t have any ASCII-art-styled plaintext conventions that people will recognize, so Markdown cannot include them. That’s where Markdown expects you to just write HTML instead, because at that point you’ve left the domain of the “things non-computer people reading will understand”, so you may as well use a powerful explicit formal language, rather than a conventional one.)

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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I generated my website at server.giessmann.net just last year using Lotus FastSite and the geocities gif archive. I included my fax number, icq id and a PO box. Of course there are 9/11 conspiracy theories and a banner to download the latest Netscape browser.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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So if emulation or a VM is your go to. How is that any different than what yuh can do with older versions of MacOS?

Virtualizating Windows isn't very hard, even back to something like Windows 95. On the other hand, only OSX 10.7+ are really easy to run in a VM, and .5 and .6 only work for servers, and anything before 10.5 isn't really going to be compatible with virtualization. That's 2007, so OSX lets you virtualize back about 13 years, and Windows you can go back almost 30 years. People even have Win 3.1 running in VMware. This…

There seems to be a misconception that you can only run 10.5 and later in a VM, but you can actually run OSX 10.4 Tiger fairly easily. This is the non server version. [1]

I was able to import almost everything from my old PPC computers. It's not completely virtualized because is using Rosetta and can not use Classic OS apps. But it is still extremely useful, and way faster than my PPC computers ever were.

[1]: https://github.com/ranma42/TigerOnVBox

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Carbon was declared obsolete in 2012 but wasn’t discontinued until 2019. Porting from PPC to x86 was relatively easy. But you’re also forgetting about the first transition - from 68K to PPC. Can you run the PPC version of any Windows NT apps?

I haven't forgotten anything, I just fail to see the relevance to this discussion. (68k? Really? That one's been dead for 14 years. And what is with you and NT on PPC? You really want to start comparing a 25 year old, short-lived, ultra-niche side version no one bought or even wrote software for with the "mainline"?) I think you missed the entire point of my posting, i.e. that even outside the architecture changes lo…

If you are complaining that you can’t run 25 year old Mac software on an x86 Mac, the only option is for Apple to ship MacOS with a 68K emulator and a PPC emulator. The first version of MacOS that ran natively on x86 came out in 2006.

Yes I realize that PPC Macs came out in 1994. But they required a 68K emulator because even parts of MacOS were 68K.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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The entire ASP.Net Core and Entity Framework architecture was changed and is not compatible. Not to mention all of the legacy third party .Net Framework only third party packages that don’t work. Microsoft also completely abandoned Windows CE/Compact Framework while there were plenty of companies that had deployed thousands of $1200-$2000 ruggedized devices for field services work.

> The entire ASP.Net Core and Entity Framework architecture was changed and is not compatible. There's been a lot of confusion, due in no small part to Microsoft's branding and communication, but what you said is not at all accurate if not intentionally misleading. What's been know as .NET for the last 20 years is now called ".NET Framework", this is not unlike how OS X is now called MacOS retroactively. ".NET Core"…

What's been know as .NET for the last 20 years is now called ".NET Framework", this is not unlike how OS X is now called MacOS retroactively. ".NET Core" is an entirely new framework that just happened to be compatible with ".NET Framework" but as time goes on the two have diverged.

The two weren’t initially slated to diverge at all. .Net Framework and .Net Core were suppose to be separate implementations of “.Net Standard”. In fact, you could originally create ASP.Net Core and EF Core apps that ran on top of .Net Framework.

NET Framework" and ".NET Core" are similar to Cocoa and Cocoa Touch in the sense that you can write code that will compile under both AND you can write code for either that will be incompatible with the other. In fact I maintain a half dozen packages that are compatible with both.

Which will not be the case for long since MS has stated that no new features will come to .Net Framework.

Microsoft didn't "abandoned" Windows CE, it stopped development for it 6 years ago as it was largely dead and Microsoft offers many pathways off of Windows CE. The CF actually runs on platforms other than CE intentionally such that any apps written for the CF will just work elsewhere. AND they still support CE and CF to this day, they just don't maintain or develop new versions of them.

Which is also not true. The last version of Visual Studio that supported Compact Framework was VS 2007. It was far from dead in the Enterprise by 2010 or even 2012. Companies were still relying on CF to run on their $1200-$2000 ruggedized field service devices. They had deployed literally thousands of devices in the field. I know, I was developing on VS 2007 until 2011 just to support them.

I mean devices like these that cost $1300 each. I deployed software for a few companies that’s had thousands of Intermech and ruggedized Motorola devices.

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Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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There's always a person who is happy to explain how Apple bests any competitor you could mention at any metric you could imagine.

That is fair, though, because it is equally likely to find someone that will never give Apple credit for a single thing.

In the face of what Apple does for privacy, comparatively, nobody else doing a damn thing. Privacy is by a very significant margin the most important metric.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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> so you can zoom in and out as necessary That's the thing - it shouldn't be necessary. I don't do that on desktop browsers; why should mobile devices be any different? If the site is not legible, I set the desired zoom once and I'm done. There's no need to go back and forth. Now, I can't do that if the elements stay mismatched on mobile. I have to zoom in and then back when I want to interact with small elements - e…

True. Zooming in shouldn’t be necessary. And mobile sites shouldn’t use floating headers or footers. And they shouldn’t hijack interface modes. And they should pick sizes that don’t feel like a straitjacket or make it seem like you’re peering at it through blinds. And they should be accessible and standards compliant. But I wasn’t comparing to the three or four mobile-optimized sites that satisfy all that. I was refe…

> What would you cite as an example of a mobile site that is more usable than this one?

This one being the Italian one from the submission or the Hacker News itself? I'm assuming the Italian one. Off the top of my head, sites with good mobile version and similar structure (lots of text and links) are Wikipedia and The Guardian. One tiny nitpick are tables with multiple columns in Wikipedia articles. This is a common struggle and I haven't found an elegant way of showing data-dense tables on mobile screens.

But other than that, all the elements on both of these sites are big enough, I don't have to zoom in, I don't have to scroll sideways, there are no floating elements, and they have distinctive style. They even work well with a dark mode add-on on Mobile Firefox.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Mine, in plain HTML, is almost 25 years old. I have to admit that I did change the layout a little, through the years, but it has been rather constant, because updating 974 HTML files, is not something that is easily done.

It's pretty easily done? Strip out everything but body, make a wrapper to include the pages? Any static bits you can search-replace, that's what I used to do before discovering server-side includes.

I am talking about 974 HTML files of which probably more than 95% is static content. Doing this manually, will take me about a year (considering the time I have available). So, maybe I should develop a script/parser to process the contents and generate them as server-side includes? But what is the benefit? That I can change the layout more easily, while first having to learn how to efficiently work with server-side includes? (Now I am just uploading my HTML files through FTP to my very cheap hosting provider.) But why would I? I am not interested in the layout, just the contents. I am not writing the website for a broad public, it is mainly because I like to record events (big and small) in my life. I guess, I myself am the most important user. Sometimes, I can surprise people by telling them the exact date that I did/experienced something.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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I haven't forgotten anything, I just fail to see the relevance to this discussion. (68k? Really? That one's been dead for 14 years. And what is with you and NT on PPC? You really want to start comparing a 25 year old, short-lived, ultra-niche side version no one bought or even wrote software for with the "mainline"?) I think you missed the entire point of my posting, i.e. that even outside the architecture changes lo…

If you are complaining that you can’t run 25 year old Mac software on an x86 Mac, the only option is for Apple to ship MacOS with a 68K emulator and a PPC emulator. The first version of MacOS that ran natively on x86 came out in 2006. Yes I realize that PPC Macs came out in 1994. But they required a 68K emulator because even parts of MacOS were 68K.

>If you are complaining that you can’t run 25 year old Mac software on an x86 Mac

But I ain't. I'm arguing that for vast stretches of Mac OS/OS X/macOS history, even 5 year old software has been a gamble.

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