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Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

2 grave security/privacy issues in Firefox right now (both are still open after more than 1 year):

Firefox Installs non-free binaries from Cisco and Google again https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=915582

firefox: Safe Browsing updates fail due to insufficient quota on the Google API key https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=895147

Just recently I discovered DoH was activated by default now and bypassing my /etc/hosts block list without any warning. This opened me up to tracking from sites I thought I had blocked.

In all above cases the failure-modes are insecure. It's like a firewall that suddenly switches its enforcement policy from a deny-all+whitelisting to allow-all+blacklisting without properly informing users.

Totally unacceptable!

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by creppe »

krbzsq wrote: post #47

Okay, so I don't really post to HN and this may seem like a silly complaint but Firefox's management of theming just seems off to me. I use macOS, I don't fiddle about with my wallpaper very much and so this stains Firefox's top bar with an ugly brown tint. I could switch to the light theme, however when I do so Firefox no longer respects my system change to dark mode. Does anyone else get bothered by this? Is there…

I agree, and asked around /r/firefox for a solution a while back. Unfortunately without success.

https://reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/dgth9i/automatic_dark_...

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by sergiosgc »

digitarald wrote: post #206
sergiosgc wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better in some aspects, worse in others, the interface is different enough to create a bit of a transition barrier. You won't be worse off, it isn't a big effort to get used to FF devtools, but you must accept a learning curve if you want to switch.

DevTools member here. As this is something we are chipping away on, are there any specific places where the UI throws you off?

Sorry, I'm not that useful for your question. My experience is from the reverse switch. I'm used to Firefox (it's my daily driver) and had to get acquainted to Chrome.

I had to get used to Chrome devtools because javascript debugging is a lot better there. For completeness sake, CSS debugging is much better in Firefox. In time, I think both will converge.

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by markosaric »

It's such a great update again!

And now this: "Following in Mozilla's footsteps, Google announced today plans to hide notification popup prompts inside Chrome starting next month"

I love how Google follows Firefox with these "better web experience" features but only if they don't impact their business model.

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by felixfoertsch »

aprvchndrs wrote: post #180

Finally Picture in Picture on MacOS. The last reason for me to keep using Safari/Chrome is gone.

I was missing that one too and did some research about it a while ago. You can achieve the system-wide PiP mode in Safari with a bookmarklet. I posted the guide here: https://felixfoertsch.github.io/tip/2019/02/15/use-pip-via-b...

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by kuschku »

efreak wrote: post #391
antisthenes wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can't say use a browser API to set a global setting for them, because GDPR explicitly requires that every website must get the user consent for them. I can see why that prevents a browser from auto-accepting all cookies, but how in the world does this logic apply to me if I want to deny consent to 100% of the websites to use cookies? Set the default on the browser to deny all consent, and show the cookie notifi…

The browser already has logic/settings controlling which cookies are accepted (first party, all, none). These settings have existed in most browsers for years. It's unfortunate that the cookie law didn't build on this in some way.

The cookie law is very flexible. It considers any and all ways in which the user makes their intent explicit as good enough.

The issue is that websites want to annoy users until they finally maybe actually say yes to get the site to shut up.

Legally, tracking has to be off by default, tracking may not change the usability of the site, and tracking has to be purely optional, and the "no" has to be simpler, larger, and easier to use than the "yes".

The point of the GDPR, over the course of the next years, is to utterly destroy online advertising as a business model, and any and all tracking solutions with it.

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by IfOnlyYouKnew »

radicalriddler wrote: post #296
hedora wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slack has started disabling unrelated features if you disallow notifications. For instance, you can’t add channels to the “ignore @here” list if notifications are off. I’m sure this’ll get worse over time. FF needs a “disable notifications, but lie to the website and say they’re enabled” button.

I feel like if a specific browser, ie. Firefox went down this path, it wouldn't take long until websites stopped supporting that browser. It'd take browser wide action to take on big players such as Slack imo.

This is a common error people make. It’s transferring their emotions to inform what some (often companies or countries) should do.

In the specific example, it makes no sense for any single website to forgo, say, 5% of revenue to “teach browsers a lesson”, especially since any change would benefit them accrue mostly with their competitors.

See also: “Google/FB/... should leave the EU to protest these privacy laws...”

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by IfOnlyYouKnew »

goodguy1234 wrote: post #440

I still dont get why firefox is 1 to 2 seconds slow doing everything. We already have uorgin block and https everywhere and privacy beaver. They just want to make their browser even more bloated. And lets not even talk about linux distro. On my xubuntu its even slower than chromium or chrome. Here is my advice: Invest everything on speed. Your user already know about privacy and stuff. That why less than 9% of us are…

Check the network panel. See the Megabytes of html and js a browser needs to work with.

It’s a miracle that browsers can render all that in the seconds it usually takes them, and if Chrome is a second faster, it’s due to the billion $ company behind investing the GPD of a medium-sized country into optimizing it.

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by IfOnlyYouKnew »

flukus wrote: post #347
ln_00 wrote: post #279

Finally. The notifications popup is seriously annoying.

It seems like even adding it as a feature was a terrible idea, it's an example of how users needs are no longer the driving force behind web browsers. Was it supposed to replace RSS or something?

The purpose of this, and many other newer web APIs like webusb, is to achieve parity with native applications.

There defining competition these days is between websites and iOS/Android apps, and Google’s future depends on the web not losing.

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