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For a physical device (ie featured-locked upon shipping), “support” amounts to paying the server bill, which is likely negligible.

Would be great if you could use your own server, and that the server code was open.

It would be great if they gave the hardware away for free too. But alas, the evil company wanted to make money. Those pirates.

Re: Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so they can't be reused

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For a physical device (ie featured-locked upon shipping), “support” amounts to paying the server bill, which is likely negligible.

Would be great if you could use your own server, and that the server code was open.

That's why I stick with the squeezebox ecosystem.

Open source server which runs locally. The hardware is long since discontinued (but plentiful and easily available on craigslist etc) and it can never be obsoleted as everything runs locally.

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> You buy a product, but still don't own it, and have to keep your subscription going so the seller don't remotely brick your device. That’s absolutely not what’s happening here. I paid £169 for my Play:1 five years ago, and it’s still working as well as the day I bought it. I haven’t paid them a penny since. This eco trade in may be a bit sketchy but absolutely no one’s device is being bricked without their consent.

Sure, today. But what happens when Sonos decides they "don't want to support your Play:1"? Maybe because it's a "security issue" and they place your Play:1 in "recycle" mode for you and give you so many months to replace it? Think about this from a longer term point of view - this is just an A/B test by Sonos. They can brick your device from remote, so there's no guarantee that at some point they won't.

Sonos has never EOL'ed or feature handicapped a speaker yet. It doesn't seem like something they're keen to do.

Re: Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so they can't be reused

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Please stop using word "recycling" in the wrong way. Sonos used this word purposefully to promote the deactivation of their devices, which has nothing to do with real recycling: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/recycle

It's not clear to me from that link what my error is. Would you be willing to expand? The commonly used definition of recycling I've heard is the first one listed on the linked page: "to process (something, such as liquid body waste, glass, or cans) in order to regain material for human use." That's why the phrase is "reduce, reuse, recycle", right? Yes, technically you could say reuse is a form of recycling, but we…

Indeed. Note that you wrote "either keeping it or reselling it would be better for the environment than recycling the device". My point is that recycling means exactly "keeping it or reselling it", while you keep on using this word the way Sonos started to use it. Sonos misused this word on purpose to make it sound as if its policy of giving discounts for deactivating its devices was a good thing for the environment, when in reality it isn't. At its core, this is a marketing lie (stunt), aka greenwashing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwashing

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Apparently you can still wipe and reset and reinstall the phones even with "OEM unlock" switched off. At least, we managed to pull it off. But it took about half a day of trying and retrying random things from threads on forum.xda-developers.com. Sorry I can't be more specific, it becomes a bit of a blur after the 5th time :-p

If you do a reset from recovery and not the settings app it locks it down with android factory reset protection and the phone is bricked until the original owner enters their google password.

Oh that might be it then, they still had their google account (or the TFA backup codes printed). Either way it seems sensible to do the OEM unlocking, just in case.

Still stupid that it can brick the phone if you don't have that password.

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Sure, today. But what happens when Sonos decides they "don't want to support your Play:1"? Maybe because it's a "security issue" and they place your Play:1 in "recycle" mode for you and give you so many months to replace it? Think about this from a longer term point of view - this is just an A/B test by Sonos. They can brick your device from remote, so there's no guarantee that at some point they won't.

Sonos has never EOL'ed or feature handicapped a speaker yet. It doesn't seem like something they're keen to do.

While your argument may be technically true with regard to speakers Sonos has EoL'd product [0]. It's only a matter of time. The problem with SaaS reliant hardware is very few vendors make the effort to support products long term (>7 years).

[0] https://www.techradar.com/news/sonos-finally-kills-off-cr100...

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You can get a number of small amps these days that will plug into the speakers and sound great. Many will also support Bluetooth so you can stream to your stereo.

Do you have a link to these small in-speaker housing amps?

I was referring to amps that don't house speakers but instead connect to speakers with traditional speaker wire. If you search for "stereo amplifier" on Amazon there are a bunch of them.

Several companies make all-in-one bluetooth speakers that have amps built in, but they tend to be lower quality in my experience.

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You can get a number of small amps these days that will plug into the speakers and sound great. Many will also support Bluetooth so you can stream to your stereo.

Bluetooth is the biggest joke foisted on audio. Even at its best there is mandated compression, which means the highest quality signal will be mashed into a lowest common denominator piece of garbage.

As I said in my post, the bluetooth is optional. It's just a stereo amp so it has inputs for line level and phono. Buletooth is convenient for ad-hoc playlists.

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Absolutely! I have a 1999 Sony amp and some older (1980s) Wharfedale speakers. Nothing I've bought in the last 25 years sounds remotely as good as them. And plugging in a Chromecast audio has given it immortality.

What's the current best alternative to a Chromecast Audio, now that they're discontinued and no longer as readily available? My current living room setup is a Chromecast Audio connected to an AVR via the optical out connection, which powers my speakers, but I'm curious if there's any alternatives. The eBay sellers are really starting to price-gouge, and I'm not naive enough to believe that my Chromecast Audio will la…

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