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Post by raxxorrax »

Lendal wrote: post #386
xrd wrote: post #195

Snowden's book really speaks to me on so many levels. As a hacker, as a boy growing up in the new age of the Internet. As a person who experienced 9/11 and never aligned with the direction it took the USA. As a person who questions my identity and the messages I get about identity on a daily basis. He will be remembered for a long time because of the actions he took, but if he had not done anything else, his book wou…

I used to agree with this but now that I've seen where this path leads, I think he should be given a fair trial and judged. Our government and the security of 350M US citizens cannot be held at the whim of a single hacker, no matter how right he believed himself to be. Our Congress has 535 members for precisely this reason, the president answers to Congress and is not a king, and even the Chief Justice does not rule…

Where does this path lead in your opinion? Frankly, I think this reasoning is pretty weak.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by ohbleek »

hestipod wrote: post #431
Lendal wrote: post #386

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to agree with this but now that I've seen where this path leads, I think he should be given a fair trial and judged. Our government and the security of 350M US citizens cannot be held at the whim of a single hacker, no matter how right he believed himself to be. Our Congress has 535 members for precisely this reason, the president answers to Congress and is not a king, and even the Chief Justice does not rule…

He was not wrong. So many people define right and wrong by some system of made up rules and laws, and if someone breaks those rules or laws, even for right, people still say "they should be held accountable" as if the rule and law matter more than anything. The bad guys don't follow those rules and laws and exposing them for that, even if it violates said rules and laws, is not "wrong". It's brave and moral and right…

I agree with this opinion fully and I find it odd that the OP you replied to doesn’t call for the federal agencies that were conducting unconstitutional surveillance to be held accountable in court?

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by articwombat »

vfc1 wrote: post #318
bad_user wrote: post #293

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Dr. Khan is not just a cardiologist, he's a vegan and my problem with him specifically and with veganism in general is that it's often ideological. Chris Kresser is not an "acupuncturist". And this is a classic ad-hominen ;-) Joe kept interrupting Khan because Khan was avoiding answering the asked questions. And Chris kept mentioning the elephant in the room, which is that the randomized-controlled trials (the gold s…

The recent meta-analysis got to the same conclusions as before (the link between meat and cancer), it's just that the interpretation of the authors was different. They said that although a link exists, its not worth it for people to change their diet, which has triggered outrage on the scientific community. One of the authors of the studies meta-analysed complained that he never saw such as misrepresentation of the d…

> When you open someone up after a heart attack, what do you find clogging their veins? It's cholesterol. What happens when you eat cholesterol? Your cholesterol serum goes up.

That’s an incorrect oversimplification of the situation. Like most of what is being bandied about here.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you...

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by hateful »

frgtpsswrdlame wrote: post #377
0898 wrote: post #174

The success of Joe Rogan is fascinating and encouraging. For a long time there was a view that attention spans were diminishing. Facebook and Tik Tok reduced content to the smallest possible dosage. But look at this. This is one of the world's most popular podcasts and it's nearly three hours long. You see it too in TV: what is a Netflix series but a 13 hour movie? I see a definite trend towards long form content rig…

To be clear, a big reason behind the popularity of podcasts is that you can listen to them while doing other things - working, driving, etc. so I'm not sure long podcast episodes really dispel the idea that attention spans are diminishing.

I listen to Joe Rogan when I'm gaming, fiddling with my Arduino or playing on my phone.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by defen »

duxup wrote: post #397
defen wrote: post #324

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How could you be a member of any standing in the elite media if you don't have access to "leaks"? If something leaks that wasn't actually approved by the agencies, what do you think is going to happen to the leaker?

I don't know what you mean by the first question. As for the second I'm not sure what you feel the answer is there either, more what it means. There is a whole history of folks leaking things for you to look at.

My point is that any time an "anonymous government official" or "high level intelligence official" or whatever leaks something to the prestige press - meaning, the article says "according to anonymous government sources..." - AND the leaker is not jailed / prosecuted, THEN you have to assume that the leak was deliberate (approved at a high level) and in service of the intelligence agency's own ends.

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Post by shadowgovt »

drak0n1c wrote: post #380
lern_too_spel wrote: post #301

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> It always fascinated me that the discussion of the leaked Clinton emails conveniently focused on the speculative source and motivation, never on the content of the emails with valid DKIM signatures Because there was nothing in them that painted Clinton in a bad light. They were normal boring emails that were sensationalized in conspiracy blogs but recognized as normal boring emails by professional journalists.

There were multiple emails from journalists at supposedly neutral reputable outlets asking the campaign to check and edit their articles before publishing. Also in an email Donna Brazile of CNN agreed to forward the debate questions to the campaign before the debate. If the act of leaking emails about media collusion is a "bad" thing that influenced the election in one way, so can the media collusion itself be a "bad…

Was there ever any evidence that having the questions is actually dirty pool, or was that more an instance of "ask and ye shall receive, and nobody else asked?"

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Post by shadowgovt »

jakeogh wrote: post #435
lern_too_spel wrote: post #301

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> It always fascinated me that the discussion of the leaked Clinton emails conveniently focused on the speculative source and motivation, never on the content of the emails with valid DKIM signatures Because there was nothing in them that painted Clinton in a bad light. They were normal boring emails that were sensationalized in conspiracy blogs but recognized as normal boring emails by professional journalists.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/37543

I don't get it. What's the issue with this email?

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by pstuart »

jessaustin wrote: post #446
pstuart wrote: post #214

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Actually, it is the Democratic house representatives that are trying to remove the president. Edit: Original words below Actually, the Democratic party is in motion to remove a questionably elected president. And he'll actually end up resigning in utter disgrace. His crimes will be revealed and his name will become synonymous for greed, stupidity, and treachery. I bet you, here in front of all of HN.

Will this be before or after he is reelected one year from now? I really did have hopes for the Democrats, but they just can't quit on Biden.

I'd be happy to have a polite conversation with you about this. I promise to be civil. Interested?

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Post by twoheadedboy »

iamthirsty wrote: post #347
vfc1 wrote: post #306

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It's his formal training, he is a licensed acupuncturist. The man has absolutely no business talking about heart disease, especially with an experienced cardiologist. The problem of putting someone with acupuncture training debating a cardiologist is that, in the eyes of that huge audience, he presents those opinions as perfectly equivalent, alternative to each other and equally valid. When in fact, one person has ba…

> It's his formal training, he is a licensed acupuncturist. The man has absolutely no business talking about heart disease, especially with an experienced cardiologist. This is an extremely closed minded view—not everyone with formal training is automatically an expert. This is the appeal to authority fallacy, and a poor one at that. > From a scientific point of view, the only diet that as ever shown to stop the prog…

How dare you question dietary proselytizing which is clearly masquerading as scientific fact.
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