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Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by codeulike »

kerkeslager wrote: post #355

I want a well-put-together electric car that's completely analog from the user's perspective . There's not a single user-facing digital feature I've ever seen on a car that I wanted, and in fact most of them make things worse. Obviously there's some non-user-facing stuff, i.e. all-wheel-drive, which computerization has revolutionized. But any user-facing stuff is just awful. I want an electric car, but I don't want t…

Most electric cars like the Leaf and Niro EV have traditional analog controls for AC and most other features. The touchscreen is mostly used for Satnav and music/radio in those cars. And really can you imagine Satnav without a touchscreen keyboard?

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Post by xedeon »

mikorym wrote: post #459
xedeon wrote: post #420

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It's very intriguing indeed... I always thought the HN demographic is a pretty smart bunch, because I often learn quite a bit from the comment section. I don't get all of the anti-Tesla vitriol, I'm honestly curious what fuels it. It's like all objectivity get's thrown out the window.

I think the people that read HN is a different demographic from those that submit, and again different from those that comment. If you look at people's profiles you can quite starkly see some are uploaders, some don't upload or comment, some only comment. Having said that, HN is more obnoxious nowadays to me than earlier.

> HN is more obnoxious nowadays to me than earlier.

Yeah... I noticed this recently too. The early days were very enjoyable and insightful. Do you have other alternatives?

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by xedeon »

rimliu wrote: post #456
xedeon wrote: post #309

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> Apparently identifying speed limit signs is AP1-only, because it relied on Mobileye's technology to do that and Tesla still haven't implemented their own replacement for that feature yet. It's more of Tesla can't because because MobileEye owns the patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/US20080137908A1/en

My Honda Civic has speed limit sign recognition. And it is possible to set cruise-control to limit the speed accordingly. Or are we talking about something more complicated?

Your Honda Civic has it because they licensed the tech from MobileEye in 2014.

Tesla AP1 cars also have it, but when Tesla dropped MobileEye in favor of their own system, they can't use it anymore.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by xedeon »

Phillipharryt wrote: post #417
mediaman wrote: post #166

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If you take a closer look at their financial data, you'll find that it's quite a bit better than what people repeat. In Fiscal Year 2018, they had positive operating cash flow of $2.1 billion. Part of the reason for the difference between accounting earnings (a loss) and actual cash flow is the huge depreciation charges ($1.9 billion) for historical capital expenditures, versus present-day cash outflows. In that year…

For a company not at significant financial risk why is their credit rating so low? Investors shouldn't be concerned about repayment if Tesla is likely to remain solvent.

If you rely solely on credit ratings or other noise for investment advice, I have bad news for you.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by mikorym »

xedeon wrote: post #462
mikorym wrote: post #459

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I think the people that read HN is a different demographic from those that submit, and again different from those that comment. If you look at people's profiles you can quite starkly see some are uploaders, some don't upload or comment, some only comment. Having said that, HN is more obnoxious nowadays to me than earlier.

> HN is more obnoxious nowadays to me than earlier. Yeah... I noticed this recently too. The early days were very enjoyable and insightful. Do you have other alternatives?

https://quiethn.com/

I would maybe prefer something that is linux inspired, but https://www.phoronix.com/ is too wordy for me. Something like https://www.planetizen.com/ is cool for me, but maybe too specific.

Suprisingly, Reddit is cool if you choose your subreddits wisely. But apart from that, tbh I think it's probably better to read actual books on topics you find stimulating or maybe something like the Economist.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by xedeon »

mikorym wrote: post #465
xedeon wrote: post #462

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> HN is more obnoxious nowadays to me than earlier. Yeah... I noticed this recently too. The early days were very enjoyable and insightful. Do you have other alternatives?

https://quiethn.com/ I would maybe prefer something that is linux inspired, but https://www.phoronix.com/ is too wordy for me. Something like https://www.planetizen.com/ is cool for me, but maybe too specific. Suprisingly, Reddit is cool if you choose your subreddits wisely. But apart from that, tbh I think it's probably better to read actual books on topics you find stimulating or maybe something like the Economist.

These are great, thanks!

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by m-i-l »

rainyMammoth wrote: post #225
leesec wrote: post #214

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Also owner of a TM3. Best car I've ever owned by a lot. People sure do get mad about Blutooth. Also, at least they're able to have a 'software direction'. Not aware of any other manufacturer who provides anywhere near this level of OTA upgrades. And obviously the autopilot team is a different one than the people installing games. Chill.

Here is what I don't understand: you paid a small fortune for your car and if this was any other car from any other manufacturer you would react like your parent comment. But because it is a Tesla you are dismissing all the issues and sell it as the best car ever. This wouldn't fly with any other car. If you spent 50k$ on a Audi with poor quality you would probably complain about it. It is a pattern I see with nearly…

> what is so different with a Tesla?

Right now, in the UK, the Tesla Model 3 is the only option that (i) is 100% electric, (ii) can go from e.g. London to Edinburgh with one charge stop, and (iii) can fit in a standard UK size garage. There are simply no other cars available in the UK at the moment that meet these 3 basic requirements. There are others coming close, e.g. the Jaguar iPace, and some due soon that might meet them fully, e.g. the Volkswagen ID.3 due next year, but right now if these are your requirements you have no other choice. That makes it pretty different, in fact unique. To use the Apple analogy, it would be like if the iPhone was the only smartphone that could last a day without recharging and fit in your pocket, so if you had one (and also believed that one day everyone with feature phones would replace them with smartphones that could fit in your pocket) then that might make you feel ahead of the curve, and you might even be more forgiving if basic functionality like copy and paste wasn't yet available.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by Phillipharryt »

xedeon wrote: post #464
Phillipharryt wrote: post #417

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For a company not at significant financial risk why is their credit rating so low? Investors shouldn't be concerned about repayment if Tesla is likely to remain solvent.

If you rely solely on credit ratings or other noise for investment advice, I have bad news for you.

Don't be so condescending. It's a measure of solvency and they don't drop it to junk just for fun.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by BinaryIdiot »

leesec wrote: post #351
tw04 wrote: post #326

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But they aren't. The car doesn't drive itself yet and you shouldn't pretend it does unless you want to die. Other than performance and range they haven't hit on ANY of the high order bits.

Haha well, maybe your car doesn't drive itself. Mine does everyday, it's great. Also Teslas are the safest cars. Not sure what you're talking about

> Also Teslas are the safest cars. Not sure what you're talking about

In other words being on your phone isn't a big deal because you'll be safe. But those other people you might hit? What about them? Do you have any care in that direction?

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