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Re: Google employees are listening to Google Home conversations

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I don't get your point here. You start off by questioning if the threats are realistic, then questioning if they're even possible, then you end by saying it's not that bad because waitresses can overhear your conversations too. 1) Those threats are 100% possible and realistic. If you think they're not just because the guy in this article is a contractor, then you're being incredibly naive and shortsighted. 2) Google…

Why do you think "Google employees have full access to this data?" It seems strange that they would have permission, unless there were some reason it was necessary for the job. This is sort of like assuming telephone company employees can listen to whatever conversations they want. Wiretaps exist, but it's not like just anyone gets to use them.

Well, this just happened: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/07/googl...

> Why do you think "Google employees have full access to this data?"

Because they do. It's literally there on their servers. You're assuming that they have some really good policies to prevent employees from accessing that data. Maybe they do, I don't know. But it doesn't matter because those are just internal policies. If some employee just says "fuck it" and ignores those policies, then if they're caught they'll just be silently fired and we'll never hear about it. There's no external audit; this is all unregulated territory.

Since this is HN, I'll give you a scenario that might hit closer to home: let's say you want to apply to work at Google. You send in your perfect application/resume, but you never hear back because your recruiter peaked into your Google Home files and noticed that you once told your friend that the Dodgers suck. Since your recruiter is a Dodgers fan, they decided to just throw your resume in the trash.

Re: Google employees are listening to Google Home conversations

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> they're always listening in exactly the same fashion. This is how always-on "Hey Siri" or "Okay Google" works Afaik it is not, actually. The devices are taught to recognize the wakeup words (like "ok google") completely offline, and only the stuff recorded afterwards gets uploaded to the cloud of contractors.

The phones listen in the same fashion as the in-home devices, is what I mean - they both work on the wakeup words. So if you're mistrustful of the in-home devices, you should be petrified of your morning commute.

AIUI the whole point of this drama is that a lot of these conversations were obviously "random", as in: not triggered by the wakeup words.

Re: Google employees are listening to Google Home conversations

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I find it funny that I often get defensive questions from Google and Facebook engineers about their technologies/organizations when I post initial pro-privacy comments on HN, but after being called out and explaining in more detail I never get a response. I guess there's no point for them to argue it further as they're aware of the negative impact, but have made a conscious decision to choose money over morals

You said they have constant breaches, then immediately recanted when asked for details. Your argument which got no reply was an idealogical argument which appears to be constructed to shut down debate (they shouldn't be trusted because you don't like them) as opposed to lead to a meaningful discussion. You even threw out the casual line about them not having poor security and breaches, invalidating your argument in t…

>You said they have constant breaches, then immediately recanted when asked for details

No, I didn't, go back and read again

>Your argument which got no reply was an idealogical argument which appears to be constructed to shut down debate

It wasn't meant to shut down debate. If he wants to argue the ethics of spying on people and using psychological tactics for financial gain I'd be more than happy to discuss

>You even threw out the casual line about them not having poor security and breaches, invalidating your argument in the post they replied to

Again, no I didn't. I never said google had poor security or breaches, and I clearly stated that was just a generic example I used which brings attention to the wrong things, as demonstrated by you focusing on "breaches" rather than the point I was really trying to make and elucidated in my reply.

>In other words, they seemingly care about whether the technical argument has merits. Once it's clear that there's no technical substance and it moves on to your personal crusade against modern companies, people lose interest.

That's the entire point, and why I regretted saying "breaches". You are focusing 100% on the wrong thing. The problem that I have is not a technical argument about whether or not breaches could occur

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