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Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by stoppergoo »

burtonator wrote: post #450
cletus wrote: post #125

What a clusterF is modern Mac hardware: - Keyboards with much worse action that are more prone to failure (from dust no less) and require replacing the motherboard to fix... all for a Touchbar no one wants and 0.5mm cut in thickness. - Loss (over the years) of the ability to upgrade the CPU, SSD or memory; - Display failures due to broken ribbon cables; - The USB-C clusterF; and - Loss of MagSafe (this one still hurt…

> Loss of MagSafe (this one still hurts). I will NEVER forgive them for this. Jobs was RIGHT when he said this was a major innovation over everyone else. Now Apple is either saying he was wrong or THEY are wrong. They're not BOTH right. My 2015 is the last MBP I will ever buy and it's aging fast... I think it's hackingtosh from here on out. I primarily use Ubuntu but I have to have a Mac as our app runs cross platfor…

Really just the MagSafe is the big difference they lost. Supposedly the keyboard sucks, why don’t they just fix it or go back to the previous iteration.

Either way I think these are still the best notebooks you can buy.

Ubuntu doesn’t even work right on my dell desktop - it never remembers dual monitor settings, even with Nvidia official drivers installed.

When I open my MacBook Air I can just use it without waiting or worrying. That much is still the same; except now you have to worry about someone tripping over your power cord

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by namibj »

earenndil wrote: post #344
deaddodo wrote: post #263

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> I feel too old to compile my own kernel for a glitchy wifi driver, and Windows? Nah, get away... Linux hasn't had issues with the major wifi chipsets in ages. It's as plug and play as Mac and Windows are. There are plenty of reasons people might choose to avoid Linux, but drivers (outside of specialty, niche or obscure hardware) aren't really a reason anymore.

Driver for my wifi card under linux crashes. Granted it is a 'staging' driver, but it's still a pretty bad look.

No. It's better than no driver. (I'll assume it works at all in some capacity.) While there are some companies that make wifi cards you can't use easily, that's just one thing you check before buying, just as e.g. general reliability/performance.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by ksec »

ksec wrote: post #353
ericabiz wrote: post #51

We repair these as part of our business, and to be clear, both the keyboards and the screens are failing on these at an alarming rate. iFixit detailed the issues with the screens, which (in Apple's unending quest for "thinness") use a thinner flex cable to connect the display to the rest of the laptop. This thinner cable is prone to breakage, and we are already seeing 2016-2017 MacBook Pros in our shop regularly for…

> If you need a Mac, consider a desktop version (with a SSD!) SSD is undoubtedly the single biggest system performance upgrade in the past 10 years. And we will soon past the halfway point of 2019, Apple is still selling an iMac with 1TB 5400 RPM HDD by default. Apart from AirPod and Apple Watch, there is nothing on the current Apple's product line I am satisfy with.

Thanks for the downvote on what I thought was not even controversial. If we have to discuss whether "SSD is undoubtedly the single biggest system performance upgrade in the past 10 years." is correct then I think we can call it agree to disagree.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by fao_ »

addicted wrote: post #360
WalterSear wrote: post #337

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Looking into Pop OS, I found these useful links: https://pop.system76.com/docs/difference-between-pop-ubuntu/ https://www.osboxes.org/pop_os-19-04-and-18-04-vm-images-ava...

I like PopOS but that first link is terrible. It only reinforces the idea that PopOS is little more than a reskinned Ubuntu (which is not a bad thing!). The only non different default setting is the availability of a recovery partition, while the other features mentioned are basically just different defaults.

Exactly, so why do you not just use Ubuntu?

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by iscrewyou »

When the first touchbar 15-inch came out, I went out and bought it as I was in need of a computer and I was waiting for the release. I used it for maybe 2 days.... I went RIGHT back and bought a brand new last of the good non-touchbar macbook pros from the preview year. I still have it and it still runs great. I have never had any issues with it.

I've even filled out a survey that apple sent me about macbook pros a while ago. And I explicitly wrote to go back in the design of the keyboards, the ports and the thickness.

I will use this computer until I can't fix it anymore.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by m463 »

dwaite wrote: post #400
cbm-vic-20 wrote: post #351

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I'm disappointed that Apple didn't either kill the Touchbar, or commit to it fully: why is there no desktop keyboard (wireless or wired) with the Touchbar? Presumably a huge amount of Pro users (this is a Macbook "Pro", right?) plug into keyboard, pointing device, and monitor frequently...

Agreed that I wish they had embraced, extended, or extinguished the Touch Bar. A larger offset from the top row of physical keys, a physical escape key, some form of accidental touch elimination, and/or a taller display surface would all be useful changes. WRT to an external keyboard with it - in addition to making keyboards more expensive and proprietary, the Touch Bar is powered by the T2 chip, which is not just us…

I suspect it's probably hard to get the keyboard to straddle the touch bar, but I couldn't help think: Why not physical escape and power keys at the ends?

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by DenisM »

It's remarkable that the reception on HN is so hostile, in stark contrast to the old days. And yet Apple doesn't seem to care, marching on in their reductionist quest.

Who are their target PRO users then, if not the developers?

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by jlarocco »

viraptor wrote: post #349
jlarocco wrote: post #233

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The hardware specs are "meh" at best, but the build quality is still better than the competitor.. I have a newer Thinkpad for work, and it feels cheap and plastic compared to my MBP. The Lenovo creaks when I pick it up with one hand, and just feels flimsy. The MBP feels solid and integrated. I'd love a 2013 MBP with modern components.

Thinkpad doesn't say much. What series? Thinkpads range from supermarket offer bin to mobile workstations like P1.

It's a P52s.

The fact that it matters is part of the problem. All of the Apple laptops feel solid and well put together.

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

dmitriid wrote: post #445
fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #279

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Of course, electron is bringing this great fragmented ui experience to macOS

Electron is a browser. So a huge chunk of things are native: keyboard support, inputs, dropdowns, context menus, menus, preference panes, popups, window chrome etc. And all this is available to developers out of the box. Very few "cross-platform UI toolkits" can come even close. That said, a fully native app would be a better option, but Electron apps are ok (unless devs go out of their way to make them bad)

The problem is that the controls generally are made by web developers rather than just using the underlying platform’s widgets so, list views look wrong, input handling is slightly off, etc. All the normal issues with applications made with web technologies.

Additionally, browsers are one of the most out-of-place feeling applications because the look and feel is controlled by the website, not by your operating system.

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