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Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by bduerst »

ldiracdelta wrote: post #442
bduerst wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a redundant question, because just about every registry can dictate what their TLDs can be used for. It's part of the design laid down by ICANN. - For Verisign with .com, they don't care if you're really a company or not. - With Minds & Machines and .law, they only want qualified lawyers, courts, legal schools, etc. using the TLD. Keep in mind that the registry and registrar are different things.

@bduerst, Forgive my ignorance, but just to distill it down to brass tacks: In this case, Google is the registry and thus the supreme court of who can and cannot be on this domain and there is no recourse if they yank your claim on the domain? Is it more nuanced than that?

I mean, the entire domain name infrastructure is set up so that someone along the path can revoke registrations, all the way up to ICANN itself.

IME you're much more likely to be banned by the registrar than the registry itself. Registries want people to use their TLDs, so they're not going to reject post-registration unless you've changed how you're using the TLD and it's violating the rules they originally laid down. Registrars are much more consumer facing and will act accordingly - i.e. GoDaddy banning Gab.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by bduerst »

prepend wrote: post #353
bduerst wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a redundant question, because just about every registry can dictate what their TLDs can be used for. It's part of the design laid down by ICANN. - For Verisign with .com, they don't care if you're really a company or not. - With Minds & Machines and .law, they only want qualified lawyers, courts, legal schools, etc. using the TLD. Keep in mind that the registry and registrar are different things.

I think the difference is that Google boots folks off YouTube for political purposes while VeriSign does not kick people away from their .com.

Godaddy banned Gab for political reasons as well. While you can split hairs and say that's just a registrar, you can also split hairs and say that youtube is just a hosted content platform. If you're thinking of running another infowars then I would advise avoiding registering domains with any major tech platform in general.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by ebg13 »

cdibona wrote: post #227
ebg13 wrote: post #70

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> But the three big public deprecations I'm aware of are Reader, Inbox, and G+. Google Code. Also Wave and half a dozen chat apps, but Code was a serious one that broke a lot of the developer web.

This is simply incorrect. As the person who (led? handled?) the shutdown/archiving, the vast majority of the 'developer' web had gone to github. The handful of active projects were given white glove treatment once we decided to shutter the site.

> the vast majority of the 'developer' web had gone to github

I see hundreds of thousands of repositories on Github responding to the search "Automatically exported from code.google.com", which means they only transferred _after_ the shutdown was announced (when the export tool went live). Any wikis would have had to be hand-converted to not be broken, since the markup between the two systems was not compatible. I mean, thank you for handling it as well as it was handled, and thank you for (if you were part of that) the export tool, but let's not pretend that it wasn't disruptive.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by m45t3r »

ninkendo wrote: post #188
m45t3r wrote: post #171

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> (This is why I’ve always used .dev actually, although this may make me switch to .fuckgoogle or something instead) Why not .fuckapple? Really, .local is defined for local address, if Apple is using it in a fucked up way this is an Apple problem. .dev was never destined for local address, it was just because it wasn't registered in ICANN yet.

Apple is adhering to the standard in RFC 6762. .local is intentionally meant for multicast DNS, Apple is doing things correctly.

Nope, yeah Apple should try to resolve mDNS queries, however it shouldn't ignore local DNS requests or make them a lower priority.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by toyg »

isatty wrote: post #184
toyg wrote: post #153

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And what were you going to do with unix.dev, if I may ask?

How is that relevant? Could be a porn site for all I care. It is fair to claim it legally under copyright etc like the OP mentioned, but otherwise, he paid for it and gets to do whatever with it.

It's just ironic that a domain squatter trying to profiteer, would complain that Google are profiteering. Yes, of course they do. The whole domain-registration "business" is like that, including OP above.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by vira28 »

peterhadlaw wrote: post #359
chipperyman573 wrote: post #307

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Paid google products, like google domains, have a 24-hour helpline https://domains.google.com/contactus I've heard that if you call during the day you get someone who's actually competent, not just some T1 support person.

Doesn't matter the level of support, the CEO of Cloudflare was involved and still ended up bringing politics into infrastructure.

care to explain this? Thanks

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by delinka »

ninkendo wrote: post #62
delinka wrote: post #32

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if you have the technical savvy to be using .dev before the Google deployment, you have the technical savvy to install an additional root cert for use with Chrome.

That is such specious logic it’s kind of sickening. I use TLDs like .dev exactly because it’s convenient. Not because I’m “savvy”, and even if that were true, it doesn’t follow that it would be just as convenient to set up a local CA. Using `echo ip >/etc/resolver/dev` to have a custom dns server for everything in the .dev domain is trivial. It’s one command. Getting a custom CA for all of that is not.

One man's "convenient" is another man's "savvy." If you've got the technical ability (you are 'savvy') to use this TLD, you've got the technical ability ('savvy') to use your own CA.

And I didn't say it would be convenient. The world doesn't revolve around your convenience. I said you've got the ability to use a CA.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by sliken »

manigandham wrote: post #361
18pfsmt wrote: post #334

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Because this is your area of expertise, can I ask you why more registrars are not selling 10 or 20 year domain ownership? Who wants a domain for just a year (if you agree with the premise behind individuals owning domains in the first place)? If I could buy a domain for 50 years, I'd do it.

We already have enough sleazy domain squatters holding names for years and trading for ridiculous prices. Instead of long ownerships, we should have some way to prove you're actually using the domain after a certain number of years.

The biggest problem with squatters is that they pay 100x less then you do for a domain. If they had to pay the same price they would squat on way less domains.
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