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Re: Notion – All-in-one workspace for notes, tasks, wikis, and databases

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Post by atombender »

PurpleRamen wrote: post #460
atombender wrote: post #450

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This should be the bread and butter of a company like this, no matter how much hassle the technical implementation details are. In today's world, getting people to bootstrap a completely new app with content is a very hard ask. Want customers? Have great onboarding.

A company has always thousands of imporant tasks which they should do. But ressources are limited, so most of them simply can't be done. This task here is nice on paper, but in reality just a minimal enhancement over the existing solution.

Not if you have dozens of notebooks and hundreds or even thousands of notes containing images and attachments.

Re: Notion – All-in-one workspace for notes, tasks, wikis, and databases

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Post by sivakon »

csytan wrote: post #448
kjksf wrote: post #273

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Official API is on their roadmap: https://www.notion.so/What-s-New-157765353f2c4705bd45474e5ba...

Also, it's easy to export your entire workspace as raw data. Markup files, images, etc.

They don’t work as well with all the latex math.

Re: Notion – All-in-one workspace for notes, tasks, wikis, and databases

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Post by techntoke »

dvtrn wrote: post #219
techntoke wrote: post #93

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Exactly... I've started building something using Hugo that does all this. That way you can create a calendar section, and then use front-matter to define the calendar entries in that section. It even creates an ICS for each item and a calendar for the entire section.

Hugo? As in the static site generator Hugo? That sounds very interesting, I've been using Hugo at work for an internal-only facing developer 'blog'. Do you publish the progress of this project you're working on for interested persons to keep track or should we wait until you're ready to unveil it?

I've got the theme and here:

https://gitlab.com/equalos/equal

I've been trying to get it into a nice state, but it is a process.

Re: Notion – All-in-one workspace for notes, tasks, wikis, and databases

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Post by antigremlin »

atombender wrote: post #455
ohadron wrote: post #390

Used notion for about 6 months, but stopped for two main reasons: 1. It's extremely slow on even a new iPhone - about 6-7 seconds until I can start typing a note. By then I forget what I wanted to write. It's basically a webview of a very heavy web app, so it's not snappy at all. 2. No offline support whatsoever. In addition it feels like they have abandoned development or are busy being acquired (~bi-weekly updates…

Bear is pretty good, but not really comparable. Bear is "just" a personal Markdown note app. No folders, no support for anything other than text/images, no collaborative editing, no support for multiple workspaces. The tag model is nice, but pretty limited. Notion's raison d'être is collaborative, structured text: Workspaces for sharing and editing documents, with a rich set of embeddable objects (for example, you ca…

There’s also another competitor to those mentioned, called Coda (https://coda.io) The biggest downside they have compared to Notion is that docs are separate from each other. There’s no structured workspace. Dropbox Paper also has this problem.

Re: Notion – All-in-one workspace for notes, tasks, wikis, and databases

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Post by antigremlin »

moystard wrote: post #410
ohadron wrote: post #390

Used notion for about 6 months, but stopped for two main reasons: 1. It's extremely slow on even a new iPhone - about 6-7 seconds until I can start typing a note. By then I forget what I wanted to write. It's basically a webview of a very heavy web app, so it's not snappy at all. 2. No offline support whatsoever. In addition it feels like they have abandoned development or are busy being acquired (~bi-weekly updates…

I didn't know about Bear. Just had a look on their website and the application and user experience looks pretty stunning. However, I am not quite sure it justifies paying for this service when Apple Notes has got a lot better in the past few years (I also feel confident in the privacy approach of Apple). Out of curiosity, what features make you use Bear and not Notes? I take a lot of notes, and if something can make…

Main difference to Notes is that Bear uses Markdown as the data format. It has a rare capability of converting webpages to Markdown when you save them as a note using a sharing extension on iOS. The conversion is decent.

But as mentioned above it also lacks important organisation features: no folders, no dated notes, etc.

Re: Notion – All-in-one workspace for notes, tasks, wikis, and databases

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Post by antigremlin »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #140

Hmm, I cannot seem to create an account without sharing my Google contacts; which I see no need to do and it's needless friction. I get into a loop of clicking checkbox "I don't want to share my Google contacts", then being rerouted back to login page and requested approval to share my contacts. Pricing wise, I wish these types of apps didn't have such a steep escalation as soon as I want to share. $4 for individual,…

There is a way around that. First of all, if you and your wife have two free accounts and share workspace subtrees with each other, you can double the free content limit.

And if you pay for just one personal account, you can still share content with a free account. This is very close to having two people sharing one paid account, feature-wise.

Re: Notion – All-in-one workspace for notes, tasks, wikis, and databases

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Post by samcat116 »

moystard wrote: post #410
ohadron wrote: post #390

Used notion for about 6 months, but stopped for two main reasons: 1. It's extremely slow on even a new iPhone - about 6-7 seconds until I can start typing a note. By then I forget what I wanted to write. It's basically a webview of a very heavy web app, so it's not snappy at all. 2. No offline support whatsoever. In addition it feels like they have abandoned development or are busy being acquired (~bi-weekly updates…

I didn't know about Bear. Just had a look on their website and the application and user experience looks pretty stunning. However, I am not quite sure it justifies paying for this service when Apple Notes has got a lot better in the past few years (I also feel confident in the privacy approach of Apple). Out of curiosity, what features make you use Bear and not Notes? I take a lot of notes, and if something can make…

Bear uses CloudKit for the backend so should be just as private as Apple Notes.

Re: Notion – All-in-one workspace for notes, tasks, wikis, and databases

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Post by techntoke »

trishmapow2 wrote: post #358
techntoke wrote: post #96

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Bootsnote and Joplin works great for notes, but Joplin was less than ideal last time I checked. Hugo is really the tool I think will get me closest to what I'm looking for.

Could you expand on why it's less than ideal? I'm considering moving, so far it looks good.

Because the way it backs up your files isn't symbolic with the file system. The Hugo template I'm working on does this for you. Their are some minor annoyances, but it is the most powerful tool that I know of to get setup quickly. Wish there was some more standardization around Templates though, and the ability to do custom output templates for section lists that create paginated sections of content based on grouping, custom parameters and more. Best thing is it is all managed in a logical folder (section) and file (page) hierarchy and so far I've just about got a infinitely nested template setup with paginated sections and pages throughout, with the ability to add custom paginated sections using specific layouts for custom sections.

It's a bit less than ideal, overall. I would like to see you be able to assign a custom output format, so for each index and section kinds it would be nice to automatically create paginated sections that you want for specific layouts. I've tried this and it only sort of works, but expects them to be the pages as your lists.html or index.html, and can't paginate a path.

Also, built in client-side search. I'm working on Mermaid.js, Chart.js and Reveal.js short-code integration next.

Re: Notion – All-in-one workspace for notes, tasks, wikis, and databases

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Post by techntoke »

dvtrn wrote: post #176
coldtea wrote: post #127

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Maybe the demand is from the worst kind of users a business would want, those that would never convert to actual customers but want something for to tinker and install for free...

those that would never convert to actual customers but want something for to tinker and install for free... There also might be a valid demand from those who would want to use the features of a collaboration suite like this for internal projects but find themselves beholden to internal or even client-demanded security/data retention policies.

Authentication can be implemented via a proxy, it can build very complex and encrypted data-types with pretty little automation.

Re: Notion – All-in-one workspace for notes, tasks, wikis, and databases

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Post by lilmartin »

setgree wrote: post #399
ohadron wrote: post #390

Used notion for about 6 months, but stopped for two main reasons: 1. It's extremely slow on even a new iPhone - about 6-7 seconds until I can start typing a note. By then I forget what I wanted to write. It's basically a webview of a very heavy web app, so it's not snappy at all. 2. No offline support whatsoever. In addition it feels like they have abandoned development or are busy being acquired (~bi-weekly updates…

> In addition it feels like they have abandoned development or are busy being acquired (~bi-weekly updates until about three months ago: https://www.notion.so/What-s-New-157765353f2c4705bd45474e5ba... ) Notion founders, do you care to comment on this? My company recently started a paid account on Notion and I'd love to know more.

Lillie from Notion here! We're working on a big release, hence the cadence has slowed down some. But we have definitely not abandoned development, nor are we being acquired :)
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