"90 percent of Google+ user sessions are less than five seconds".
I'd say let's have a moment of silence for Google+, but that is clearly too generous
Shutting Down Google+ for Consumers
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#462This is Vic Gundotra's legacy and perhaps the first major strategic decision Larry Page made in the post-Eric Schmidt era and it was the design and launch of Google+ and (IMHO) it marked a turning point in the company's culture. Internal resistance to aspects of G+ was enormous. People outside the company get this idea that Google acts as some kind of singleminded (possibly nefarious) entity when "herding cats" is so…
Not relevant, but "the fish rots from the head" is relevant to Chinese? I cannot find any explanation of that connection. Just curious.
I can't really think of a Chinese proverb out of my instincts that linked to this translation, the closest one being "上梁不正下梁歪", literal translation "When the upper beam (of a house) is not in the right place, the lower beam follows"
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#463Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a very cynical view of things. I'm not a product manager - but I can't imagine one sitting in a room thinking about all the evil ways to make the feed harder for people to find relevant posts. I can, however, perfectly imagine a PM who is "extremely numbers driven" to look a bad version of the algorithm that increases the time users spend shifting through shit and assume that the algorithm is a huge success b…
Agreed, pathogenic designs can come out of poor success metrics. Some low level PM was tasked with optimizing time-on-site. They had some negative user feedback, but it didn't show up in their low sample UR and segmented rollout. Since they had good results in their primary success metrics and the secondary metrics did not tell a consistent story, they rolled it out to 100%. Any negative feedback from there was chalk…
That's still too optimistic. You're assuming that they weren't fully aware of the problem, and would have fixed it if they could. The truth is that they only care about problems that could impact their bottom line.
See the Sean Parker interview: https://www.axios.com/sean-parker-unloads-on-facebook-god-on...
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#464Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes but not following how that relates to "poorly managed"? I mean they are in all of history the fastest to a $100B market cap and since started in 1998 it was right at the .com bust. Then the fastest to $200B. Does that not take good management?
Managing not to screw up their de facto monopoly on search/ad placement is not the same as managing to do something else highly profitably
YouTube has over a billion hours consumed a day. That is not search. Actually it is now the #2 most popular web site.
So they have both the #1 and #2 most popular sites now.
Heck they are rolling out the first robot taxi service in Arizona later this year.
Re: Shutting Down Google+ for Consumers
#465To me, the worst part about Google+ has been the fact that Google services started forcing you to use it. Like I'd click on some sort of account settings tab on YouTube, and suddenly I'd be redirected to a different website and my first reaction is always "what the hell is this crap?" Worse yet, there was always an irritatingly huge delay between changes I made to my Google+ "shadow profile" and my profile on YouTube.
Hopefully this will put an end to that nonsense?
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#466RIP. Like so many of Google’s high profile efforts (anyone remember Wave? Glass, etc), a bunch of good ideas and great tech brought down by an utter failure to understand the human element/social psychology angle. Google+ was dead in the water from day one. You don’t beat Facebook at social by building a slightly different product with some cool ideas like Circles. Going for feature parity was a mistake. Instead they…
>RIP. Like so many of Google’s high profile efforts (anyone remember Wave? Glass, etc), a bunch of good ideas and great tech brought down by an utter failure to understand the human element/social psychology angle.
Absolutely this.
It is, however, not the marketing strategy that failed them. G+ was hyped for some time before release and it became a hit since day one.
With the level of attention any Google product gained at that time, there was no need to focus on a niche. The issue were their horrendous decisions in UI and product design as well as feature integration. In short, it was a product for the tech savy user, yet aimed at the mainstream. It wasn't satisfying anyone.
I still can't understand why they would not cap the most valuable resource they had, GMail, GDocs, GCalendar, GReader, etc. Zero integration.
Re: Shutting Down Google+ for Consumers
#467Google+ had terrible marketing and release, but it had some decent ideas that I wish other networks had carried over. The idea of "circles", where you had a circle for "acquaintances" "friends", "family" would be great on, say, Facebook, as it would allow me to filter down my feed to just the people I really care about but still have a connection to more distance acquaintances. Currently on Facebook the news feed is…
I agree that the "circles" idea is good, and that's why I'm implementing it in my social network. However the idea of circles by itself is not good enough for people to make the move.You need something else too..
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#468Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is no way Facebook would ever implement something like this. The whole point of the Facebook feed tinkering is to force you to wade through a river of shit to find the nuggets you are interested in. The feed algorithm is all about making that river just slightly short of unbearable, because the river is where they stuff all the ads. If they provided you with useful filters it would make the revenue opportunitie…
> The whole point of the Facebook feed tinkering is to force you to wade through a river of shit to find the nuggets you are interested in Why on earth would this be the "point" and what product manager is being paid for this BS.
The point is that the more time you spend on Facebook, the more ads you look at, and the more Facebook gets paid.
"If you are not paying for it, you’re not the customer; you’re the product being sold."
Re: Shutting Down Google+ for Consumers
#469This is Vic Gundotra's legacy and perhaps the first major strategic decision Larry Page made in the post-Eric Schmidt era and it was the design and launch of Google+ and (IMHO) it marked a turning point in the company's culture. Internal resistance to aspects of G+ was enormous. People outside the company get this idea that Google acts as some kind of singleminded (possibly nefarious) entity when "herding cats" is so…
> Leadership ignoring user feedback as people start to attribute luck to skill and vision
I think a lot of this is because of Steve Jobs. He did this but was for the most part successful at it. Everyone wants to think they are the next Jobs.
Re: Shutting Down Google+ for Consumers
#470Google+ had terrible marketing and release, but it had some decent ideas that I wish other networks had carried over. The idea of "circles", where you had a circle for "acquaintances" "friends", "family" would be great on, say, Facebook, as it would allow me to filter down my feed to just the people I really care about but still have a connection to more distance acquaintances. Currently on Facebook the news feed is…
The idea of circles sounds fantastic on paper but it's simply too much work for the common user. For most of the posts users would make, users would probably spend more time thinking about which circles to enable than actually writing the post. It's a headache and it leads to a poor experience, it feels like a hurdle, something you must do; it makes posting less natural. Facebook on the other hand offers the same fun…
You are spot on. However you have groups in Whatsapp. If somehow you could use instant message groups as "circles" for publishing posts too... that's what I intend to do in my social network btw.