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Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by euyyn »

bocklund wrote: post #376
euyyn wrote: post #317

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Google doesn't sell access to user information either, digested or not. I think it's misleading to say they do, "digestedly", or indirectly, or whatever.

Google sells advertisers a promise to show their ads for razors to males 18-30 years old who have ever searched for 'razors' or 'shaving' or 'beard' or 'shaving cream'. Maybe they also look through your Google photos to find faces with beards... or check your email for references to beards or amazon orders with razors... and to show extra ads to people who live in the Portland area Some people are more okay with the…

I don't think anybody would be surprised to know that Google ads are personalized based on the data it knows about you.

The misleading part is saying that that personalization is done by selling your data to advertisers.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by nnutter »

roblabla wrote: post #134
raesene6 wrote: post #126

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I agree, the good thing about Apple and Microsoft is I know what they want to sell me. Apple want me to buy relatively expensive devices on a regular basis and ideally a cloud subscription. Microsoft want me to buy subscriptions to their cloud services and ideally devices running their OS. In both cases the value for them is fairly clear and they have limited incentives to do anything that might jepordise those reven…

And yet, microsoft started incorporating ads inside of windows 10. The business models helps, but if you can both sell a product and get ad revenue, why wouldn't you ? In apple's case, they have a fairly small but dedicated marketshare that cares deeply about those issue. That's why I trust them to not sabotage their product. Microsoft has a monopoly, they don't need to care.

Instead of saying “monopoly” just say “enough market lock-in” and people won’t get hung up on the semantics of “monopoly”.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by DrPhish »

hungerstrike wrote: post #359
vetinari wrote: post #186

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But not the telemetry or tracking.

Yes you can. Anyway, how many UWP apps are you running? Do you think every Win32 desktop app is now magically tracking you? Nope. So, let's compare how many UWP apps that you actually want to run (I don't use any of them) and see if they're tracking you as much as all the mobile apps you're running. There's no contest here.

It actually turns out that you can't. [0]

You are able to turn it down to "Basic" using the GUI, and if you are using the enterprise edition thru corporate volume licensing you can turn it down further to "Security" with admin tools.

There is no way to turn it off completely, and since its cranked up by default, that is where it will stay for the majority of installations.

As an anecdote, even Microsoft employees I've spoken with think it's overreaching and underhanded.

[0] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/configuration/confi...

edit : clarification on corporate option

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by hungerstrike »

vetinari wrote: post #439
hungerstrike wrote: post #359

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Yes you can. Anyway, how many UWP apps are you running? Do you think every Win32 desktop app is now magically tracking you? Nope. So, let's compare how many UWP apps that you actually want to run (I don't use any of them) and see if they're tracking you as much as all the mobile apps you're running. There's no contest here.

The problem with Windows tracking is not that apps track you (here the solution would be easy: just don't use the apps), but that the system itself snitches on you. Are you starting an app or search for document, using the windows shell? Your phrase goes to Bing. That's much harder to avoid than just not using an app.

None of that happens if you only use Basic telemetry and if you disable Cortana or the Cortana option to "Search online and include web results".

So, the only tracking you're left with is the kind that comes packaged in UWP apps.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by dkersten »

wlesieutre wrote: post #432
dkersten wrote: post #394

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I do have an iPad on which I've been using the 11 beta for the past few months and I love the new multitasking support, but is it really big enough to warrant a major version bump? You already could run two apps side by side in iOS 10 (I was a pretty heavy user of that feature, which is incidentally also the primary reason I opted into the beta), it just wasn't quite as flexible. Drag and drop is new, for sure. I sup…

Everything Apple has done since iOS was first introduced (or arguably the initial iPad support in iOS 3.2 ) has been incremental improvements. But drag and drop is one of the bigger ones, IMO on-par with the initial multitasking support which incidentally was the update that finally convinced me to buy an iPad. For an example of where this smooths things out, I've been using Readdle's Documents as an approximation of…

Ok that's fair. I suppose the update seemed less to me because I haven't needed the drag and drop for my workflow (basically I don't find myself needing to copy files/images very much and the documents I author on iPad are typically text only), so I guess this feature kinda slipped by me a bit.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by nnutter »

s73ver_ wrote: post #400
roblabla wrote: post #134

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And yet, microsoft started incorporating ads inside of windows 10. The business models helps, but if you can both sell a product and get ad revenue, why wouldn't you ? In apple's case, they have a fairly small but dedicated marketshare that cares deeply about those issue. That's why I trust them to not sabotage their product. Microsoft has a monopoly, they don't need to care.

Are those ads for 3rd party things, or for their own stuff?

Both. Maybe, more their stuff. Comes installed with nagware for Office and Skype. Advertises their and third party cloud storage. Advertisements on screensaver. All can be disabled/removed. The ad I saw on screensaver was for a video game. Maybe Microsoft was the publisher or something but they definitely weren’t the creator.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by Closey »

baldfat wrote: post #404
deong wrote: post #300

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Within large organizations, I don't think there's any replacement for Excel. Google docs are great as a Word replacement, but Google's spreadsheet offering is a spreadsheet. Excel is an extremely sophisticated development environment.

> I don't think there's any replacement for Excel That would be great. People over use Excel to no end and it causes problems. They need to use programming. Get people with R or Python and Pandas, or some other statistical program. (88% of Excel Spreadsheets contain human errors) These are human error. Use a program not an Excel sheet. https://www.forbes.com/sites/salesforce/2014/09/13/sorry-spr... One error cost $6…

Although it's a nice thought, the benefit of excel is it's comparatively low barrier-to-entry, ubiquity and transparency (in terms of other people being able to understand how a calculation was derived).

It's not realistic to expect everyone in a company to learn python, and I'm not convinced that replacing shitty excel documents with shitty code would introduce less errors.

Also the concept of 'minimum viable product' in excel is typically adding a couple of columns and adding titles to them. To develop something for others to use in python will take much longer.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by qznc »

Tenobrus wrote: post #347
Gaelan wrote: post #246

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I haven’t used OpenOffice much? But it feels much less polished than Office or iWork. I guess there’s Google Docs, but even that’s limited compared to even iWork. Is there anything actually decent that can be used for “Office” stuff on Linux?

LaTeX and Org mode are much better and more usable than either Office or OpenOffice for me. I haven't needed to do more than copy-paste into Office documents for the last 4 years. Of course, that's not at all relevant for general market share, but there are viable alternatives depending on how technical you are and your exact needs/restrictions/use-cases.

How do you open docx and pptx files other people send you with LaTeX and Org mode? ;)

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by stefco_ »

baldfat wrote: post #404
deong wrote: post #300

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Within large organizations, I don't think there's any replacement for Excel. Google docs are great as a Word replacement, but Google's spreadsheet offering is a spreadsheet. Excel is an extremely sophisticated development environment.

> I don't think there's any replacement for Excel That would be great. People over use Excel to no end and it causes problems. They need to use programming. Get people with R or Python and Pandas, or some other statistical program. (88% of Excel Spreadsheets contain human errors) These are human error. Use a program not an Excel sheet. https://www.forbes.com/sites/salesforce/2014/09/13/sorry-spr... One error cost $6…

I've read a lot of crappy code written by physicists (my past self included) who lack training and/or don't care about code quality. While I hate proprietary, monolithic programs, I'm not sure replacing them with R would lead to saner results or fewer errors. I would certainly prefer python and org mode to excel and word, thought.
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