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It shows 514 for me. That seems rather low.
Up to 795 three hours later. We did it Hacker News, we finally got this guy the traffic he deserves.
I saw it at 400 something
Facebook recruiting and Unix systems
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Re: Facebook recruiting and Unix systems
#462Earlier quoted context omitted.
Verbatim exchange: Thanks for the quick response and clarifications. Experience with Linux and other UNIX-like operating systems is largely transferrable thanks to the standardization that resulted from the POSIX specification. As a result, the terms "POSIX" and "UNIX-like" by-and-large refer to the same thing. My experiences are in particular with developing software for Linux platforms, which are the most popular o…
>I'd love to see you defend why the guy is a professional communicator with a good attitude. He's not, but that doesn't matter. You're going to be hard pressed to only ever communicate with professional communicators with good attitudes your whole career. So if you ever want to be taken seriously and have a successful career, you're going to need to learn what battles are worth fighting. Hell, maybe it was even a tes…
What is up with this societal mentality that the employee is beneath the employer, and the employer has the license to be rude and it's the employee's job to accommodate their bullshit? Sending a resume for a job interview and dealing with an obnoxious recruiter is definitely not a battle I'd pick. If that's how they treat prospective job candidates, then that's probably not a company I want to work for.
Re: Facebook recruiting and Unix systems
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I was also thinking along the same lines for unpaid internships. Companies have billions in the bank, make tens of billions profit each year, and have "staff" working who they don't pay a cent to. The fact there are no laws against that is evil.
Facebook interns are paid, and paid quite well. It is, in fact, illegal to not pay an intern in the state of California if the intern performs beneficial work. Your entire rant is predicated on untrue assumptions.
> It is, in fact, illegal to not pay an intern in the state of California if the intern performs beneficial work.
It's illegal in the whole US: https://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs71.htm
Re: Facebook recruiting and Unix systems
#464Hey folks, I'm the student writing the emails in the post here. Thanks to everyone for their criticisms. While I was initially kind of shocked by the recruiter's response, I've had a lot of time to think about it today and have realized that I was being pretty damn condescending and spoke out of line without regards to the context. It's been a hard lesson learned. I honestly regret the whole exchange, and posting it…
Hi, I think you could have massaged the snark in the sentence that says "Beyond software developers who have programmed in the 1970s, most people do not have experience with a true UNIX OS" but other than that I think you should walk away thinking that your communication was clear, straight-forward and respectful. Here's what happened - the recruiter had a list of keywords, received a large volume of inbound resumes…
SunOS, HP-UX, and BSDs up to a point all ran System V binaries until recently, or still do. If they really want that then it's a thing they can ask for.
Re: Facebook recruiting and Unix systems
#465Earlier quoted context omitted.
Facebook interns are paid, and paid quite well. It is, in fact, illegal to not pay an intern in the state of California if the intern performs beneficial work. Your entire rant is predicated on untrue assumptions.
Why do I continually hear the term "unpaid intern". I believe there is more to the US than just California, right?
> Why do I continually hear the term "unpaid intern".
Because those things still exist, just not doing employer-sponsored g work in for-profit firms.
> I believe there is more to the US than just California, right?
Yes, and unpaid interns doing work that directly benefits the employer is a violation of rules under the Fair Labor Standards Act in the whole US, not just California.
Re: Facebook recruiting and Unix systems
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Alternatively, don't fucking apply to this kind of company. They have BILLIONS of dollars in the bank (let that sink in for a moment) and the technical recruiters are paid well anyway, there is absolutely no reason for them to not give at least a timid shit about the quality of the people who are the first line of interaction with potential employees. I interviewed at Google 3 times and I'm currently going through th…
I was also thinking along the same lines for unpaid internships. Companies have billions in the bank, make tens of billions profit each year, and have "staff" working who they don't pay a cent to. The fact there are no laws against that is evil.
> The fact there are no laws against that is evil.
Except that is not a fact, at least in the US.
Re: Facebook recruiting and Unix systems
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On the contrary, this was an obvious power play by the recruiter to get the candidate to agree and submit to whatever arbitrary KPI has been passed down by the HR manager, regardless of whether or not it's meaningful. I would not take anything away from this other than that the candidate was probably not a good fit for the position anyway, as they don't seem to gel well with the BS corporate politics. Some do, some d…
> On the contrary, this was an obvious power play by the recruiter This may seem obvious to you, but it's not to me. Why are you assuming malice on the part of the recruiter?
There is no malice, this is just what happens at big companies. When you have 10 layers of management, everyone is expected to fall in line because this is the only way it can work.
Re: Facebook recruiting and Unix systems
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Yeah, that's the part that gave the game away when the recruiter did the whack-a-mole move. The recruiter did in fact know exactly what the difference was and he was obstructing the candidate. Who knows why, maybe he feels there are too many asians working at Facebook so he takes it upon himself to play games with applicants who have asian names so they are more likely to give up, but he can still have plausible deni…
> Who knows why, maybe he feels there are too many asians working at Facebook so he takes it upon himself to play games with applicants who have asian names "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence/stupidity" Hanlon's Razor definitely applies to your theory!
"A sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."
Re: Facebook recruiting and Unix systems
#469Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hi, I think you could have massaged the snark in the sentence that says "Beyond software developers who have programmed in the 1970s, most people do not have experience with a true UNIX OS" but other than that I think you should walk away thinking that your communication was clear, straight-forward and respectful. Here's what happened - the recruiter had a list of keywords, received a large volume of inbound resumes…
SunOS, HP-UX, and BSDs up to a point all ran System V binaries until recently, or still do. If they really want that then it's a thing they can ask for.
Speaking as someone who used to work in dev at Facebook, in my time there I saw absolutely no Unix systems, just Linux on the production side. They did have some proprietary systems in corporate IT that could have been running on HP-UX or AIX for all I know, but a PE intern wouldn't ever have touched those.
Re: Facebook recruiting and Unix systems
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This is ridiculous. Nothing in your responses was rude. The CMU recruiter is dense and underqualified. Don't apologize for taking the time to remain honest in your communications and explain the circumstances.
Because of the monopolies that have been allowed to exist, getting black listed by FB is akin to chopping off a large portion of the quality tech jobs out there. Its not that he was factually wrong (or even wrong in etiquette) , but as my mom said you can be right and dead right, which is why he recognizes he needed a better approach to leave the most opportunities for his career going forward
Facebook isn't going to blacklist someone over a bad interaction with a university recruiter, at least short of sending an email full of hate-speech.
It's an opportunity missed (it's a great place to have an internship or be a new grad, not so much for senior people who've worked elsewhere in industry) but the OP will certainly have no trouble applying again with some future recruiter.