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European Commission fines Google €2.42B for abusing dominance

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Re: European Commission fines Google €2.42B for abusing dominance

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Google's flagship product is the Google search engine, which provides search results to consumers, who pay for the service with their data. anyone else finding the plainness of that last sentence to be staggering? ...

it's both plain and false. consumers pay with their money, not "data". google gets this money from advertisers. consumers pay even if they never used google in their whole life.

Re: European Commission fines Google €2.42B for abusing dominance

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Pretty sure that's what Google Product Search used to do. They ended up having to change it because the resulting quality of those listings was terrible. See https://commerce.googleblog.com/2012/05/building-better-shop... Maybe if they tried again they could do better this time; I'm a little skeptical though.

Wow, the screenshot in the post is like a parody. (And that's the "new Google Shopping experience"). https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nw0uS-CN17o/T8cd822KTBI/AAAAAAAAA...

That's pretty much how ads on Google used to look. They've improved quite a bit since then.

Re: European Commission fines Google €2.42B for abusing dominance

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post #392

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The answer to your question is given by the EC decision: > There are also high barriers to entry in these markets, in part because of network effects: the more consumers use a search engine, the more attractive it becomes to advertisers. The profits generated can then be used to attract even more consumers. Similarly, the data a search engine gathers about consumers can in turn be used to improve results. Simply put,…

Sounds like they're punishing commercial success, i.e. the goals of most public corporations. Search has been Google's core competency since their inception, they were much smaller than the existing Search engines when they started out but were able to create a better product that users preferred and since that time they've been able to amass a wealth of knowledge, experience and resources. Of course any company is g…

Well, I believe the court has considered their position and feels that "punishing" google is not a matter of commercial success but of anti trust law (the "companies don't have inner pressure to be moral" argument). One's opinion as to whether the court is acting in good faith with regards to its mandate is a matter of faith, I'll concede that; I personnaly have more faith in our individual ability to reorient the court/EUs mandate than to exercise pressure on google/corporations who are filling the new power center that comes with the internet and mass information distribution.

Re: European Commission fines Google €2.42B for abusing dominance

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Yes, the cookie notices are a bad implementation of a good policy, (informing users that they're being tracked.)

Cookies don't imply tracking - that is just one use of them.

And the EU cookie consent law doesn't apply when you're using cookies for most other purposes than tracking.

Re: European Commission fines Google €2.42B for abusing dominance

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post #392
post #378

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Why are you using Google then? Use a Service you can trust or you believe has your best interests at heart.

The answer to your question is given by the EC decision: > There are also high barriers to entry in these markets, in part because of network effects: the more consumers use a search engine, the more attractive it becomes to advertisers. The profits generated can then be used to attract even more consumers. Similarly, the data a search engine gathers about consumers can in turn be used to improve results. Simply put,…

> The profits generated can then be used to attract even more consumers.

Wut?

Re: European Commission fines Google €2.42B for abusing dominance

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This is going to sound a bit conspiracy theory but here goes...

I was looking at the highlights of the EU competition commission[0]. Is it just me or is there a theme (with a few exceptions) that runs something like:

   + Large US company XXX gets anti-trust fine. 
   + EU company gets state aid approved.
   + rinse and repeat
Maybe it's just a coincidence but I wonder what the P&L for the Competition Commission looks like given that fines go to the EU not to the aggrieved parties.

As an EU citizen, it's nice that the Commission is working hard to reduce my tax bill but I do wonder if this is entirely neutral.

[0] http://ec.europa.eu/competition/news_en.html

Re: European Commission fines Google €2.42B for abusing dominance

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Yes, the cookie notices are a bad implementation of a good policy, (informing users that they're being tracked.)

Cookies don't imply tracking - that is just one use of them.

The EU law on cookies is specifically about tracking cookies, not first-party cookies.

See http://ec.europa.eu/ipg/basics/legal/cookies/index_en.htm#se...

Re: European Commission fines Google €2.42B for abusing dominance

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> I'll probably get down voted Damn, I hate this trend of making you comments appear more controversial. > What's next? You really should not argue this point. We need to stop "big" companies doing "anti-consumer" practices. The reason why those terms are in quotation marks is because when you are discussing antitrust and monopoly laws those terms are not well defined. You should only look at these rulings per-case b…

>>Damn, I hate this trend of making you comments appear more controversial. I take it as a way of saying "this will probably be a controversial opinion here, but..." which is totally fine.

It's a good way to preemptively color the reader's perception of your comment. Makes you seem more reasonable and knowledgeable when you seemingly recognize the controversial nature of what you're saying, even if it isn't actually that controversial at all. It's a commonly-seen tactic on reddit.

Re: European Commission fines Google €2.42B for abusing dominance

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I might be in a minority here and I'll probably get down voted but this result scares me... and I used to be CTO one of those competing price comparison sites that show up lower in the results so if anyone should agree it should be me. While it made me angry when Google put their results above ours, I never questioned that they had a right to do that. It is their website. They are not a utility. At what point does a…

> this result scares me [...] I never questioned that they had a right to do that. It is their website Are you serious? By this logic Microsoft could do whatever they wanted with Windows. Yes, when you're big enough to absolutely dominate a market you can't just use that to make rules that kick out everyone else.

Their site runs on their server and is free to visit. Micosoft runs their products like Windows and Office on YOUR machine. That's the difference.
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