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Re: New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore

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Post by rbanffy »

bisby wrote: post #284
ericjang wrote: post #37

I dislike this post intensely. The opinion comes across as uncharitable, as the author probably has not used this Macbook Pro yet. How can you (alexeysemeney) be so sure? I consider myself a developer, and I almost never use the Fn and ESC keys on my Mac. Everybody uses the computer differently, but I'm pretty sure this is not a deal-breaker for most. One could also argue that the touch bar might lead to innovative d…

As a vim user, esc is pretty important. I would say the author clearly knows very little computer specs: "The MacBook Pro had options with 2.4 gigahertz dual-core processors back in 2010. Anything new in 2016? Not really, well… nope." Because a 2010 2.4ghz dual core is identical to a 2016 2.4 ghz dual core.... I thought we got over comparing processors purely by their clock speed a long time ago. (I will agree that t…

> As a vim user, esc is pretty important.

I am pretty sure that when you open a terminal, esc and function keys will be up there. It'll not be a mechanical key, but I'm sure it'll still work.

Re: New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore

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Post by johnsonsc2 »

asimpletune wrote: post #422
bisby wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a vim user, esc is pretty important. I would say the author clearly knows very little computer specs: "The MacBook Pro had options with 2.4 gigahertz dual-core processors back in 2010. Anything new in 2016? Not really, well… nope." Because a 2010 2.4ghz dual core is identical to a 2016 2.4 ghz dual core.... I thought we got over comparing processors purely by their clock speed a long time ago. (I will agree that t…

> As a vim user, esc is pretty important. So then wouldn't the esc be present on Touch Bar? It's not like it's the "useless stuff" bar.

Yes, though having it be a physical key is also ... ummm ... key.

Re: New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore

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Post by lucisferre »

blowski wrote: post #391
boardwaalk wrote: post #318

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http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Avoid_the_escape_key

My laptop should work the way I want it to, not the other way around.

Then just map Esc to Caps Lock if you like. Unless you feel Caps Lock is still critical for commenting on YouTube videos, in that case I guess the new MBP is just a useless paperweight.

Re: New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore

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Post by colemickens »

foxylion wrote: post #106
AlexMuir wrote: post #35

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Good luck using Sublime or atom over SSH.

Sometimes I've a feeling that some people really like it complicated. Today it is no mysterium to mount a remote machine via SSH and edit all the files using atom/sublime/vs code/... so mostly no need for a terminal editor on a remote server. And have you ever tried to use a terminal (editor) on remote over a connection with high latency? Awful.

1. VS Code doesn't support SSH/SCP/SFTP natively, and Windows/Mac support for sshfs is non-existent/bad. Not to mention it breaks down in tons of cases, especially low latency or dropped connections. And even in Linux, depending on where you mount to, you can basically hork your system to the point where it requires a reboot.

2. Gotta agree with easytiger. I work all the time from 3G tether connection. Mosh makes it a breeze.

Re: New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore

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Post by SocratesV »

overcast wrote: post #352
SocratesV wrote: post #232

I remap my CTRL to CAPS LOCK because it's more convenient. Have come across a lot of Vim power users that do the same with ESC. Or buy the model without the Touch Bar. Can we stop with the drama now? It's becoming pathetic. Apologies for the bluntness. P.S.: more RAM and CPU? Get a desktop or buy another laptop. Since when was Apple the fastest, more bang for your money? This was clearly not a specs bump iteration.

There was really nothing preventing Apple from offering 32GB and even 64GB chips. 16GB MAX is pathetic for $3000. What's with the old chipset/cpu? DDR3?

Those that do need more RAM are probably are already using desktop options. I understand it would be nice to have more RAM by default or optional, I would also like it since I tend to keep my laptops for a long time (current one is a 2008 13'' Macbook Unibody), but there's always a reason for not doing it, either it be technical, economical or commercial. It's not a decision you take on a whim.

They introduced a major piece of hardware to the configuration and reduced size and weight. Making other changes would be increasing the risk of something going wrong. That's my take at least.

You can probably expect the specs bump within the next year. :)

If you are going for price, criticising Apple's pricing is by now a tradition. I thought we had established that Apple is not where you get more bang for your buck. You buy it for the OS and construction quality (and now the ecosystem of services).

Re: New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore

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Post by gurkendoktor »

Spartan-S63 wrote: post #371
bisby wrote: post #284

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As a vim user, esc is pretty important. I would say the author clearly knows very little computer specs: "The MacBook Pro had options with 2.4 gigahertz dual-core processors back in 2010. Anything new in 2016? Not really, well… nope." Because a 2010 2.4ghz dual core is identical to a 2016 2.4 ghz dual core.... I thought we got over comparing processors purely by their clock speed a long time ago. (I will agree that t…

As a fellow Vim user, I don't use the escape key anymore. It's awkward to hit and I rebind it to "jj" (or more recently "jk"). It's unergonomic to reach for the escape key where it customarily is. If it were where Caps Lock is, it would make much more sense. That said, I don't like rotating my hand or remove my fingers from the home row. It's really a non-issue because you can rebind keys so easily, it's not even fun…

> If it were where Caps Lock is, it would make much more sense.

macOS Sierra allows you to rebind Caps to the Esc key, which seems like a good compromise to me. As a non-vim user, I just wish I could bind Caps to other keys as well :(

Re: New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore

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Post by zzzcpan »

mozumder wrote: post #454
lucisferre wrote: post #450

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I nearly exclusively use VIm and any other editor I use has a VIm mode plugin installed. I pretty much can't work productively in anything else. I can tell you that I haven't used Esc in ages. I have Caps Lock mapped to Ctrl (as it is a vastly more useful a key than Esc and Caps Lock is a much better position for it and is just as an extraneous as Esc is). I use Ctrl-C or Ctrl-[ to exit insert mode and it works just…

Same. Been using vi as my primary command-line editor for 25+ years, and have never used the ESC key, and just use the default setup. I don't even know what commands would use the ESC key?

ESC key is the default in vim, most vim users do use it.

Re: New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore

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Post by PerfectElement »

I'm thinking about getting a Surface Book for my next laptop, since I've been spending a lot of time on Parallels using Visual Studio.

My only concern is the tracking pad. Is it possible to replicate the 3 and 4 finger gestures using the Surface Book trackpad? I don't think I can live without swiping to move between desktops.

Re: New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore

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Post by asimpletune »

johnsonsc2 wrote: post #462
asimpletune wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a vim user, esc is pretty important. So then wouldn't the esc be present on Touch Bar? It's not like it's the "useless stuff" bar.

Yes, though having it be a physical key is also ... ummm ... key.

Good joke. Ok but you haven't used it yet, just ease up, it might be great!

Re: New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore

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Post by mynameishere »

I can't believe people are debating whether or not you need function and escape keys. It's just...are Apple people living in another universe? The escape key is used by nearly every application. Are you not aware of this? The function keys are used by nearly every non-game application. Cripe. Did you people buy your premium CPU-holding boxes just to use vim?
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