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> Islam has nothing to do with this whatsoever I recognize your username and I know you are highly intelligent, but how can you ignore all the daily evidence, crime statistics, the shows of intolerance + hatred + violence that Muslims put out towards the natives, all the logic and reason, and all the correlations about the Muslim population in Europe?
Because 'Muslims' are many, and terrorists are few. The Muslims that I know are very much upset about all this and fear for their future, if anybody is upset at the acts of terrorism by their nominal brethren it is them because they are confronted on a daily basis with the fall-out from all this. The scary bit is that the backlash against them drives them to become defensive and that's the one thing that should not h…
There is much more to the story than fitting Muslims into the categories of: "non-terrorist" and "active-terrorist".
The fact still remains that Muslim [and other immigrating] populations in Europe negatively impact every single metric of social-ills (rapes, murders, acid-burning attacks, honor-killings / enormous housing and welfare costs / emergence of no-go zones / overall intolerance towards you / and so on and on).
This is the further split of society that you are talking about. It happens when you bring in incompatible groups into your home, and groups that do not reciprocate your good will, tolerance, and open mindedness.
It makes no difference that terrorists are few when double-digits (20%-90%) of Muslims (depending on region and % of population they make up) think that death should be the penalty for apostasy, that suicide bombings are justified, and so on.
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The enemy is not irrational. The moment you understand that, you'll understand why fear is not the answer.
Someone blowing himself up is not irrational?
The pack leaders are the rational ones. The ones that stand to gain the most from organizing these horrors.
As a muslim lurker of this amazing site I would like to express my sympathy to those who died and hope everyone will be safe. Also, those with comments that are trying to cause fear and hatred, you are just making other muslims living in the west feel scared and sad. I swear, right now im scared taht one day some people will be treating muslims just like how Americans used to treat black people in Slavery era. Even w…
As a not-believer-of-anything, I appreciate your post. Some, hopefully most people, are able to realize that this is not the work of Islam in general. As a white male living in NYC, I have no idea what it's like to be in your shoes, but I'm also afraid that there will be a backlash against you. When I heard the news I went to the neighborhood deli shop to buy cigarettes. The owners and workers there are muslim. They…
That's already starting, some idiots set fire to the camp near Calais.
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The enemy is not irrational. The moment you understand that, you'll understand why fear is not the answer.
Try convincing fear is not rational to the people close to the attacks today. I understand what your point is, but the fact is that fear is exactly what people will feel.
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And compared to the average for that block it's even worse. The point being of the people murdered in France this year less than 1/5th of them where killed by terrorists. Yet, the other 4/5th don't make international news. Yes, this is a tragedy, so are all those other deaths. PS: Even at over twice the normal rate, the average US city is far worse every year.
There are around 700 people murdered in France each year. But in most cases it's someone from your family killing you, or someone that hates you for some reason, or you're involved in criminal activities. Maybe there are 100 people killed in France in a typical year by complete strangers. And we're talking about 180 people (maybe more) killed in 2015 by complete strangers and in the name of Allah. I don't think that…
What's hard, is accepting that things like this happen, but there not reason to alter policy in any meaningful way.
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Because 'Muslims' are many, and terrorists are few. The Muslims that I know are very much upset about all this and fear for their future, if anybody is upset at the acts of terrorism by their nominal brethren it is them because they are confronted on a daily basis with the fall-out from all this. The scary bit is that the backlash against them drives them to become defensive and that's the one thing that should not h…
> Because 'Muslims' are many, and terrorists are few. There is much more to the story than fitting Muslims into the categories of: "non-terrorist" and "active-terrorist". The fact still remains that Muslim [and other immigrating] populations in Europe negatively impact every single metric of social-ills (rapes, murders, acid-burning attacks, honor-killings / enormous housing and welfare costs / emergence of no-go zon…
You're forgetting a few not-so-juicy details. Most of these people that failed to integrate carry local passports and to the law they are just as French (or Dutch, or German or whatever) as the rest of the people living there.
As a rule all these countries practice freedom of religion so whatever the effect the immigrating (grand)parents had on the statistics of decades past the problem is the effects today. And you can't attack anybody on grounds of religion without opening up the traditional make-up of the country as well so that's right out because it would make a great many people in various power structures extremely nervous.
The failure then is to fail to fully integrate these people, part of the failure is theirs, part of the failure is ours.
The fact that the younger generation (and definitely not all of them!) are unable to get work, unable to find meaning in life and unable to get ahead no matter how hard they try creates a level of frustration that I can only imagine, but which broke through partially in the riots in France a couple of years ago.
As far as the 'double digits' are concerned, right now an ultra-rightwing party holds > 25% of the vote in NL, that doesn't make all the Dutch racists any more than 30% of the Muslims agreeing with some or all of the terrorist activities makes all of the Muslims supporters of terrorism.
It's each and every person as an individual that matters.
And if a person specifically supports these acts then you can go after them with whatever tools are available but until then there is no reason to act in a generalizing manner. That only makes the problem (potentially much) worse.
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Strength on you. What a mess, those poor people.
Thanks for your kind message. It means a lot to me coming from you.
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>The wide majority of muslims in France are integrated Sooooo many studies have been done where the same resume gets shown to recruiters, except one has a French name and the other has an Arabic name. The results were an overwhelming amount of french resumes were chosen over the Arabic one. Not to mention constant issues like police harassment The issue of integration of purely the fault of a country that pretends th…
> Sooooo many studies have been done where the same resume gets shown to recruiters, except one has a French name and the other has an Arabic name. The results were an overwhelming amount of french resumes were chosen over the Arabic one. Not to mention constant issues like police harassment Sure, but it doesn't make my point false. Is there some discrimination going on ? absolutely we need to fight it. Is it widespr…
Just like there will be people blaming 'all of Islam' for this atrocity there will be people on the other side that blame 'all of the West' either for their own inability and failure or as as a reaction to the inequalities in the society they are a part of an which they will find it hard to overcome. It is these people that are at risk of being radicalized, the smart ones (like yourself) never were at risk in the first place, have found their niche and simply want to live their lives as good as they can, like everybody else.
It's a pity because these few would be harmless fools if they weren't given the tools and instructions with which they then proceed their crimes, and probably they relish at the thought of the headlines they will be making.
Unfortunately there is no shortage of people that would very much like to blame their own personal failure on others or that would exact blind revenge on innocents for perceived or real sleights instead of seeking redress in a less violent manner.
As a muslim lurker of this amazing site I would like to express my sympathy to those who died and hope everyone will be safe. Also, those with comments that are trying to cause fear and hatred, you are just making other muslims living in the west feel scared and sad. I swear, right now im scared taht one day some people will be treating muslims just like how Americans used to treat black people in Slavery era. Even w…