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Post by xs_kid »

sontek wrote: post #446
yawn wrote: post #26

Jakob Kaplan Moss owes PG a public apology for his behavior. The witch hunt tweets that were coming out of him without getting the facts straight are downright disheartening.

I think Jacob's and Alex's criticisms and attacks on other communities/companies would be more relevant and credible if their own Django community would start being more inclusive, I only see one woman committer: https://github.com/django?tab=members

you can not expect to have women as core committers immediately, first step is get more women involved in community and OSS.

I don't think the work that Python/Django people are doing to get more women involved in the community can be easily ignored.

Re: What I Didn't Say

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Post by rok3 »

roopeshv wrote: post #300
DasIch wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His behavior was perfectly fine unless you assume that the "interview" as published was wrong. We now know it isn't and the facts have changed. I doubt he would have tweeted any of it, if he had known this.

you should see his current tweets

Seriously,

I took a few minutes to catch up on what JKB is saying and

A) His primary concern seem to be to promote all of the work he's done for women in IT and to make himself seem like a victim because of the backlash from his ramblings about PG.

B) he's completely ignoring PG's side of the story and continuing to promote the ideas mentioned in A.

I'm so sick of the insanity surrounding the issue of the lack of women in IT. Yes, it's a real problem and steps should be taken to fix it but the tsunami of hate that is aimed at anyone who is portrayed as remotely uncaring / oblivious to the issue is beyond disgusting. This is not how to make things better.

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Post by ryguytilidie »

kbenson wrote: post #439
ryguytilidie wrote: post #420

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If you have some sort of actual experience in Philosophy and enter an opinion on a subject relating to Philosophy, that is an intellectual argument. If you are an entrepreneur with no training in Philosophy and enter an opinion on a subject relating to Philosophy that is a pseudo-intellectual argument. Pretty simple really. Note: I don't think that he actually is a pseudo-intellectual, just giving you the example you…

Ignoring the fact that it was pointed out elsewhere in the comments that pg has a BA in Philosophy (apparently confirmed by wikipedia), this assumes that someone without training has nothing worthwhile to contribute[1]. While that may end up being true in the majority of cases, I don't think it's valid to apply the term to individuals just because they don't have credentials, in the absence of other evidence. I do li…

So you knew the answer, but you asked the question anyway? Okay...

Re: What I Didn't Say

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Post by yetanotherphd »

lauradhamilton wrote: post #39

Thanks for the clarification. It is unfortunate that your statements were taken out of context and spun. I typically look for the original source, and am relatively skeptical of poorly edited viral stories such as this one. With that said, I do think that the moderation / upvoting / flagging of Hacker News is overwhelmingly male. I sometimes see sexist comments here, and there doesn't seem to be a good system for wom…

Could you give some examples of the kinds of post you would like to censor?

Re: What I Didn't Say

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Post by yetanotherphd »

__pThrow wrote: post #67

What Paul didn't say. Anything about DongleGate Anything about PronounGate Anything about CPlusEqualityGate But when They Came for Paul, then he wanted us to know what he said. Sadly, I was already gone. In fact what he did apparently was to take these sorts of threads down and encourage moderators to kill them. Now of course, he abuses his power as publisher to host this thread where we can deify him, thank him, and…

>In fact what he did apparently was to take these sorts of threads down and encourage moderators to kill them.

Do you have evidence for this claim?

My understanding is that HN attempts to automatically detect all controversial topics and remove them from the front page. From what I saw, PronounGate got fair attention on HN, and so did CPlusEqaulityGate (relative to how much traction it got anywhere else).

Re: What I Didn't Say

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Post by kbenson »

ryguytilidie wrote: post #453
kbenson wrote: post #439

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ignoring the fact that it was pointed out elsewhere in the comments that pg has a BA in Philosophy (apparently confirmed by wikipedia), this assumes that someone without training has nothing worthwhile to contribute[1]. While that may end up being true in the majority of cases, I don't think it's valid to apply the term to individuals just because they don't have credentials, in the absence of other evidence. I do li…

So you knew the answer, but you asked the question anyway? Okay...

I think you are mistaken about something, since I didn't ask any questions.

Re: What I Didn't Say

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Post by mike_esspe »

ericabiz wrote: post #32

As a female founder, I think this is a well-thought-out, articulate response, and I appreciate pg stepping up to say something about women in tech. In a similar vein, I'd love to see YC take on one or both of the following: 1) Do at least one application cycle completely blind. How could you accomplish this? Much like in the concert auditions where this was first tried, put people behind a curtain--and then use techn…

Blind application can be accomplished with IRC interview.

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Post by yetanotherphd »

thenerdfiles wrote: post #377

Don't women pick up concepts faster than men? I mean, it's pretty clear that women excel at language acquisition over men, and these are just computer languages . Let's say, ceteris paribus, 10,000 hours for adolescent boys, 8,000 hours for adolescent girls . Supposing this is the case, given the history of computer science, I doubt really any one of us is in a position to define credibility on solely that metric of…

Yes the evidence is clear:

Girls score better at boys in language, therefore they are biologically advantaged.

Girls score worse than boys at math, therefore they are being discriminated against and discouraged by society.

You can't argue with evidence.

Re: What I Didn't Say

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Post by sontek »

xs_kid wrote: post #451
sontek wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Jacob's and Alex's criticisms and attacks on other communities/companies would be more relevant and credible if their own Django community would start being more inclusive, I only see one woman committer: https://github.com/django?tab=members

you can not expect to have women as core committers immediately, first step is get more women involved in community and OSS. I don't think the work that Python/Django people are doing to get more women involved in the community can be easily ignored.

In 8 years they have got 1 woman involved in a core capacity to their community. I'm not asking for immediate results, I'm just asking for them to lead by example and to stop criticizing people who are doing a much better job at being inclusive than they are. They have a 3% rate, YC has a 15% rate of women.
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