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Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by diminoten »

GhotiFish wrote: post #448
diminoten wrote: post #417

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Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. I sent my data with the social contract that you'd also look at my monetization technique. By breaking that contract, you're preventing me from producing more content, content you apparently want. You're actually hurting yourself, from a practical standpoint, as well as causing harm to me.

A social contract? I have never acknowledge such a system, or heard of such a system. Are you referring to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Contract seems unrelated. Advertisements have a measurable cost on me. I have limited focus, losing it is expensive to me. I've seen advertisements change the thinking and perception of my peers, and it scares the crap out of me. I am all for uplifting the community thr…

If the cost is too high, don't pay for it, but don't take the content as well. That's theft.

And I mean social contract as in a contract you agree to by simply being part of society that stands above law. Don't kill people, don't steal things, that kind of thing. Things you do and are therefore allowed to be part of society.

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by diminoten »

regularfry wrote: post #447
diminoten wrote: post #419

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Why not?

One is answerable with fact. The other is unanswerable with anything but subjective opinion, and inevitably drags the ensuing thread into pointless back-and-forth over, in this case, particularly well-trodden ground.

Just because we can doesn't mean we should.

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by dirkgently »

giantSlayer wrote: post #406
nityananda wrote: post #330

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Well, I am from Europe and from people I know only around 15% uses Mac. I was myself using Windows/Linux for all development and Photoshop work till last 3 years, when I moved to Macbook Air.

Windows are for users and Mac are for makers. ;)

Oh please. Designers are not makers. Vast majority of developers I know use Linux.

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by dirkgently »

Kesty wrote: post #372
kayoone wrote: post #364

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In some circles yes, but theres alot of web developers that are still on Windows for whatever reason. I am from Germany and people here are less prone to brand marketing and i still see quite alot of people using Windows, even people i highly respect for their skills. Im mainly talking about coders though, not designers.

Reasons range from: 1) Big corporations don't like to overspend on PC hardware and can have great deals with anyone but Apple. 2) A company that work mostly on Windows platform (.Net, MSSql) 4) As weird as it sound some people might actually not like OSX.

> As weird as it sound some people might actually not like OSX.

Oh yes. I wouldn't take a job if they offer Apple only choices.

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

laureny wrote: post #318
alanh wrote: post #260

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“Drastically?” The vast majority of the web developers I know use OS X. And, I guess, most of the marketers, too.

> “Drastically?” The vast majority of the web developers I know use OS X. I'm guessing most (all?) the developers you know work in the US? Mac OS is close to nonexistent in that area in the rest of the world. Trying to sell an app competing against a free product from Google is already challenging enough, you should seriously consider the original advice and extend your tool to work on Windows as well.

Most web developers/designers in china use OS X also.

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

sjwright wrote: post #332
nadnerb wrote: post #326

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By 'rest of the world' you must be discounting Australia then ;)

As an Australian, I've always thought of our country as the real-world embodiment of what Americans believe when they think of their own country...

I visited Bali once and as an American, had an identity crisis looking in the mirror at all the Australian tourists.

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by regularfry »

diminoten wrote: post #452
regularfry wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One is answerable with fact. The other is unanswerable with anything but subjective opinion, and inevitably drags the ensuing thread into pointless back-and-forth over, in this case, particularly well-trodden ground.

Just because we can doesn't mean we should.

And here we go over the well-trodden ground yet again. "Should" according to who? You? See the problem there? It's perfectly possible for other people to have equally valid moral positions as you while taking a different stance on this specific question.

Trying to dictate morality never ends well. Especially in cases like this, where the specific tech is not only possible, but also has unarguably legitimate uses, and is therefore pretty much inevitable. You just end up tilting at windmills, and the ensuing hot air back and forth just creates pointless noise, generally adding little to the discussion.

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by kayoone »

beernutz wrote: post #449
Kesty wrote: post #372

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Reasons range from: 1) Big corporations don't like to overspend on PC hardware and can have great deals with anyone but Apple. 2) A company that work mostly on Windows platform (.Net, MSSql) 4) As weird as it sound some people might actually not like OSX.

I will say here, that I am one of those people that do not like OSX. My main issues are getting it to behave with the muscle memory I have developed over years of use with windows and linux machines. Home and End key behavior, actually quitting an application when closed, full-screen apps (though I understand this is fixed in recent OSX builds), and other minor annoyances keep me from fully embracing OSX. I understan…

Exactly my thoughts. I use OSX alot for different reasons but i still think i am more productive on Windows/Linux. Keyboard shortcuts and behaviour is consistent as opposed to OSX where its kind of a pain.

I also dont like the dock, i like to have a taskbar with the open windows on each of my monitors which is no problem in Windows and Linux. I dont like the Menubar stuck on the main monitor.

As a web developer i really like the unix base of OSX for different reaons though and i need to use some software for game dev (Unity3D) which isnt available on Linux.

But i thought about running Windows for game dev/office stuff and Linux in a VM for web development.

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by GhotiFish »

diminoten wrote: post #451
GhotiFish wrote: post #448

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A social contract? I have never acknowledge such a system, or heard of such a system. Are you referring to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Contract seems unrelated. Advertisements have a measurable cost on me. I have limited focus, losing it is expensive to me. I've seen advertisements change the thinking and perception of my peers, and it scares the crap out of me. I am all for uplifting the community thr…

If the cost is too high, don't pay for it, but don't take the content as well. That's theft. And I mean social contract as in a contract you agree to by simply being part of society that stands above law. Don't kill people, don't steal things, that kind of thing. Things you do and are therefore allowed to be part of society.

Society allows me to be a part of it because it has no objections to my behaviour. I actively tell the people around me I block ads. Therefore, if your social contract did exist, I would not be in breach of it.

Morals are subjective, the people that surround me believe there is nothing wrong with my actions, if your only standing point is that it's "morally wrong" then you have failed to convince me.

That, of course, is not your only point. You also believe that without the advertisements the content I enjoy wouldn't be produced. This argument has some grounds. The only problem is how actively degenerate ads are. I can outright improve almost all media just by removing them.

Let's say the "nightmare scenario" happens, and almost everyone blocks ads with ad block. Ad Block is running an initiative of acceptable ads. Ads that arn't decietful, distracting, or annoying (which, in my opinion, is a far more morally abhorrent act). So if everyone started using ad block. The world would actually get measurably better. Not worse.

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by Recoil42 »

blankenship wrote: post #92
Recoil42 wrote: post #62

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It's meant as an ad development tool, not a page development tool. Entirely different audience.

...which is why they should call it Google Ad Designer.

I don't disagree with you at all there. The name is terrible.
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