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GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by joshheitzman »

101011 wrote: post #121
joshheitzman wrote: post #113

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There's a huge jump between OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, and every other major player distilling the internet into LLMs and deliberately breaking a mutually signed contract between them and another business. As for ZDR and court-orders, what would you rather happen there? Violate the law or comply with holding the data? I would bet that any ZDR agreement has this court-ordered risk mutually understood and agreed upon.

I see no huge jump at all. If the companies don't care about copyright law, why do you think about they care about contract law?

An LLM provider that only hosts inference and doesn't train models is at much lower risk of getting put under a court order to retain data for copyright infringement cases.

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Post by dvt »

dcre wrote: post #378
dvt wrote: post #183

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> This sure looks like a race to the bottom Always has been. My prediction is that both OpenAI and Claude will go bust unless they deliver a killer product. And unlike scrappy startups, they have a pretty serious deadline because creditors will come a-knockin'. There's little to no functional difference between Kimi, Qwen, Sol, Opus, etc. All flagship models are within like 1-5% of each other and the real moat will b…

It's hard for me to imagine how you could define "killer product" to exclude something that takes you from $9B to $65B ARR in 8 months. https://epoch.ai/data/ai-companies?view=graph&tab=revenue

It's not hard to sell a dollar for 50 cents. Imo, these businesses are pretty clearly not doing well financially (the revolving door of unvested C-levels is a good hint, the constant postponing of S-1s is another).

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Post by pimeys »

theptip wrote: post #388
tkgally wrote: post #291

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I was struck by a video ad that Google released yesterday with testimonials by three developers about using Gemini 3.7 Flash [1]. The point they emphasize most is price, followed by latency. The marketing strategy definitely seems to be shifting. [1] https://youtu.be/kacf2bib-X0

You play to your outs. Gemini is far behind on quality.

Yes and no. It competes in the mid tear not in SOTA. It's a very valid model if you need things like computer use or image recognition. Especially with the 3.7 "introductory prices". It's multi-modal and better than GPT 5.6 Terra while only a bit more expensive.

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Post by wonnage »

perching_aix wrote: post #436
wonnage wrote: post #425

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This sounds about as unhinged as Google saying Material Design 3 is 30% more rebellious

Doesn't just sound like it, it is. That's life for you. That's what I'm pointing out to you. [0] Just consider your own example. Do you think a less or more "rebellious look" is not something designers can actually ellicit? Less so in software design, sure, but in character design for example? Or general product design? Do you think e.g. Monster energy drinks are branded the way they are completely due to happenstanc…

I think we’re saying the same thing?? It is literally just vibes and all this faffing over which model has better “taste” is pointless

Where you’re wrong is pretending there is any intellectual rigor to the discussion which justifies promoting from the domain of vibes to actual reasoned debate

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Post by ProfessorLayton »

dcre wrote: post #378
dvt wrote: post #183

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> This sure looks like a race to the bottom Always has been. My prediction is that both OpenAI and Claude will go bust unless they deliver a killer product. And unlike scrappy startups, they have a pretty serious deadline because creditors will come a-knockin'. There's little to no functional difference between Kimi, Qwen, Sol, Opus, etc. All flagship models are within like 1-5% of each other and the real moat will b…

It's hard for me to imagine how you could define "killer product" to exclude something that takes you from $9B to $65B ARR in 8 months. https://epoch.ai/data/ai-companies?view=graph&tab=revenue

That graph looks a lot less impressive when not "annualized". Annualized revenue can be gamed in a number of ways, and is a big reason companies tend to compare YoY to investors once they're public.

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Post by vineyardmike »

xscott wrote: post #422
vineyardmike wrote: post #273

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They said they also block usage of Claude models to build ML models. Which is definitely protecting their turf, but also probably a little bit hiding their “RSI” abilities for competitive reasons. My theory is that a lot of “safety blocking” is actually WIP training of new business directions. Anthropic has started hiring biologists and has opened a preview of a “Claude code for bioinformatics”. I’m guessing they’re…

What's the distinction between "protecting their turf" and "competitive reasons"? I see them as the same, but I could be missing something. That's an interesting thought on the current "safety blocking" being a trial run for the topics that scare people (bio). You're more charitable about their motives than I am, but you might be right.

My differentiation for this comment, was “preventing someone from using your product to build a competitor” vs “letting a competitor see your strengths/weakness to benchmark against you”.

Competition is competition and it’s two sides of the same coin.

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Post by Lwerewolf »

unreal6 wrote: post #401
beacon294 wrote: post #248

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Check the remainder for hallucination for sure.

check all for verifiability

I literally had Fable tell me that I've checked out a nonexistent upstream commit of LMDB - two days ago. Sol called its BS, of course.

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Post by ChadNauseam »

SyneRyder wrote: post #232
ChadNauseam wrote: post #188

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Yeah I feel like I'm living in a different dimension than these people. I wonder what they're working on. I've literally never had it refuse everything and I max out my 20x plan every week

Can I ask which country you're in? I have a theory that the safeguards differ depending on the user's country. I'm in Australia, and Fable downgrades to Opus when testing for bugs in memory in a legacy C code base. If Fable starts taking initiative and writes a test case that involves writing to a null pointer, that's the end of the conversation.

That's interesting, thanks for sharing. Maybe the classifiers are really sensitive to anything that has to do with memory safety.

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Post by Gangway0829 »

breezybottom wrote: post #356
Gangway0829 wrote: post #79

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I can't speak for that guy, but I'm a physicist and work in clean energy... So it's not too hard! That said, I usually am closer to 10M on days I do heavy coding, so not nearly that bad.

Terrifying to think that even physicists can't code their own simulations anymore. We're plunging headfirst into the dark ages.

Have you seen the average physicist code? I've crawled around in the muck of Fortran codes written in 1970 with unreadable 8 character variable names (the first of which encodes the type), with implicit typing, zero comments, computed go-tos, SAVE, the works. Tests? Never heard of it. Bugs everywhere. You would be far less sanguine about physicists coding if you looked into some of the "flagship" codes used today. And believe me, it isn't a "boomer bad" phenomenon. Every incoming student I've had in the last decade writes shit code too.

My (only somewhat facetious) opinion is that physicist access to programming languages should be controlled like doctors' access to opiates.

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Post by IshKebab »

throwup238 wrote: post #85
IshKebab wrote: post #75

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A billion tokens per day?? Plausible estimates put the energy use at about 0.001 Wh/token, which means you're using 1000 kWh/day in electricity, just to generate slop. That's about the same as 50-100 houses. 300kg of CO2 per day - roughly the same as flying from London to New York every three days . I think on average AI energy usage is not as big a deal as everyone is panicking about, but your usage is truly absurd…

You really think OpenAI is selling $1500/mo of electricity (at $0.05/kwh) for $200/mo? I’m guessing that Wh/token estimate is several orders of magnitude too high.

Yes, because most of their subscribers are not using 1 billion tokens per day. And they are still in "profits don't matter" mode.
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