if the fines are only leveled at the actual people making these calls, its a useless law - like anyone is going to see a centime from a call center located in morocco. its only if the carriers have some liability that this will have any effect.
France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls
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#452I reckon that the best way to stop spam calls (and messages) is to start charging for them again. No more flat rates.
The scheme that I have in mind is to charge a small amount to the caller and give it to the recipient. I reckon that the balance between groups of friends or family would be zero.
Companies surely could pay this money but spammers won't be able to explore a whole list of numbers to try to fish a victim.
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#453Enfin!!
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#454Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Most countries have these no call lists but they are fairly useless as there is no enforcement What country are you in that it doesn't work in? I know for a fact it works in Spain and Sweden, but it'll really depend on the country. You'd help by others by being a bit more explicit :) > I've even heard stories of some scammers exclusively using such lists, as they are pre-verified! That does suck and seems counter-p…
In Spain I have recently been getting far more robo scam calls. New several a week.
Are you on Lista Robinson, checked it's updated with your details and say "Estoy en Lista Robinson" if they call you?
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#456Great idea! Telemarketers have ruined the phone network for me. I haven't answered an unknown call for the past 10 years, which sometimes means I miss important ones. 99.9% of all calls are an attempt to get money, and the 0.1% that's a dentist appointment, a friend that changed numbers or whatever become collateral damage. A ban is the right idea but I wonder how they can handle it, logistically. I think there needs…
The best technical solution I've seen is a spam review fee that turns into a reward and charged to the next closest originating peer. For example say you get a spam call. You notify your service provider and pay $10 to have them review the call recording to verify that its spam. An employee listens to the call and determines that it is, in fact, spam. You get a $100 reward for reporting spam and your service provider…
its unlikely going to be worth the costs involved for the telco to do this reviewing. perhaps AI systems and other filters could be used but ultimately its tons of time needed because audio takes time to play. a lot of cases will be clearcut instabans but for the ones that are not it requires all of them to be reviewed with _some_ depth and then some with much more.
its also prone to mistakes which is another process that needs to be managed etc.
from a consumer standpoint this sounds super good ofc tho.
i will post my phone nr everywhere :)
Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls
#457Great idea! Telemarketers have ruined the phone network for me. I haven't answered an unknown call for the past 10 years, which sometimes means I miss important ones. 99.9% of all calls are an attempt to get money, and the 0.1% that's a dentist appointment, a friend that changed numbers or whatever become collateral damage. A ban is the right idea but I wonder how they can handle it, logistically. I think there needs…
In Spain we have something called "Lista Robinson" (in Sweden exists something similar, called "NIX-registret") which are basically opt-in lists where you can enter your phone number, then once the new lists been distributed, the telemarketing companies cannot call you, if they're doing things properly. If they call anyway, you just mention you're on the list, they hang up, and remove your number from the list they h…
in Netherlands you have 'bel me niet register' (dont call my registry) which makes it unlawful for legit telemarketing. but this is not about telemarketing only. there is many more spam. also the laws would only locally apply so international calls dont fall under it
Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls
#458Great idea! Telemarketers have ruined the phone network for me. I haven't answered an unknown call for the past 10 years, which sometimes means I miss important ones. 99.9% of all calls are an attempt to get money, and the 0.1% that's a dentist appointment, a friend that changed numbers or whatever become collateral damage. A ban is the right idea but I wonder how they can handle it, logistically. I think there needs…
General white-list is likely useless as number spoofing is still easy and prevalent in North America. Scammers would just set their number to a trusted one. You wouldn't have to see the list to assume that numbers from hospitals, doctors, utility companies, etc. would be included - unless they all had separate secret numbers to call out from. Likely this would be unreasonable - especially considering they still aren't able to end number spoofing.
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#459> On the other hand, France's new law has raised concerns in Morocco, where Employment Minister Younes Sekkouri, said in March that between 40,000 and 50,000 jobs were at risk in the country’s call centers. Sekkouri said the French market accounts for more than 80% of revenue in the sector. Never build a business around hassling other people. It's always at risk that laws will suddenly change and destroy your livelih…
It sounds like they could just block calls from Morocco and cut off much of the problem.
That's not a good faith suggestion. (It's impractical and you know it.)
The problem is that French companies contract with telemarketing firms in France. Banning incoming calls from Morocco doesn't solve the telemarketing problem in any way. It's just a xenophobic / racist / whatever excuse to inconvenience people you don't like without making any attempt to solve the telemarketing problem.
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#460Earlier quoted context omitted.
We have a similar list in America [1] and Canada [2]. Unfortunately, like any regulation, its efficacy is only as good as its enforcement, so my understanding is they're both routinely ignored. Particularly grim for the Canadian case - > In January 2009, numerous media and consumer advocacy organizations reported that anyone can use false information pretending to be a telemarketer and download a set of numbers from…
From what I can tell, many/most of my “telemarketing” calls are really scams. And the rest are political calls, which are exempt. This the most annoying, come election time, I get 5-6 texts or calls per day asking for money or votes.
this experience will vary per region, telco and carrier network. some filter more advanced than others and some regions have more telemarketing than others based on the metrics they pull from it.
i get mostly robocalls from scam centres in india. most are filtered but some go through. 0 telemarketing.