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Every comment without an /s at the end is definitely 100% serious and unironic.
Ah... now I know that Microsoft is running full weather simulations on each user desktop... pretty neat.
you sound sarcastic
Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM
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Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM
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Some of us still know how to write software like that. And enjoy doing it. I made a little conference schedule app a few weeks ago for a conference I was at. I used my own rust UI toolkit, which calls in to cocoa to make use of native UI components. The resulting binary is about 500kb and it uses a couple megs of ram while running. It looks and feels like a totally native iOS app. As far as the OS is concerned, it is…
AI writes code like that, but people get pretty upset hearing it. The program that I use to manage my small business, basically a GUI wrapper on an sql DB is a total delight to use, because everything happens instantly . Even opening it is instantaneous. Modern software is such a bloated mess that you kind of get used to a 20 second start-up and a .25-1 second delay on every action. Then you use something that isn't…
>> AI writes code like that, but people get pretty upset hearing it.
To this day I never saw an AI write anything less than a 3Mb binary. Do you have specific examples in mind, and if so, can you share them?
Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM
#453They're pointing to macOS and saying it uses 5 times less RAM there, but is 230MB for a weather app really something to be proud off?
I wonder why it uses 200+ on Mac. It looks like a native (ish) application. Has a bunch of visualizations and stuff. It might all be graphical assets?
> It looks like a native (ish) application.
Emphasis on the “ish”. It’s an iOS app ported to the Mac (Catalyst), just like Messages, Voice Memos, Clock, and basically every other consumer-focused stock app on the Mac these days.
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> Easy workaround for this Wipe Windows from your machine. Use Arch Linux. Problem solved.
The most-difficult part of installing any Linux distro is getting the motivation to create the boot media . Luckily for Ubuntu (I'm running v26) you can use an old HD or USB and then [your flavor of LLM] to then walk you through the steps on how to make the media bootable (at least: that's what I did). I am a bluecollar electrician (yes, it took me a few tries; yes, I accidentally fucked up my first few OS's doing st…
What if they had usb drives with Linux installers in blister packs at electronics stores?
Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM
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I still miss Battlefield 2. There is really nothing like it today, not even close. The dynamics with squads and a commander and A+ physics and overall game balance remain unmatched for all FPS games. Fortnite, PUBG, COD, all are disgraceful in comparison.
BF2 was great, BF3 was definitely better, not that there was anything at fault of BF2. I disagree with Fortnite and PUBG, whilst PUBG is a little clunky it did usher in a completely new game style AND importantly introduced much better situational audio which other games didn't have.
BF2 and Battlefield: Vietnam were my top 2 BF games. Loved the radio in BF:V and the ability to airlift stuff. Also, I really enjoyed the commander mode in BF2, that was ahead of its time.
Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM
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??? Fast and loose is an understatement, at best it's a view from a rendering engineer that thinks all software acquires a DXGI swap chain and handles buffering itself, but it's flat out wrong and over two times too high at the very least. * Not every app is full screen (especially not a weather widget.) * Very few people actually have a 4K display. 1080p and 1440p cover over 75% of users already. * You do not alloca…
* I never said all software handles the swapchain itself. The front and back buffers are obviously not usually allocated in user code. But they're allocated nonetheless and contributing to memory usage. * Not every app is fullscreen, but I was using a maximized app as an example. If you make the window smaller then yeah obviously the numbers get smaller proportionally. * A ton of people have 4k displays, it's difficu…
>it's difficult to find a moderately high end laptop
Terrible news for you, people work on dogshit dells given by their company and netbooks, not high end laptops. Macbook Pros, high end laptops, etc are exceedingly rare. (And can also deal with the high memory usage by virtue of having more memory).
>you want a background picture which fills the entire window
Which you rarely do, and also you don't develop for either, you're going to have a 1080p image at best, and then a bug report from that one client saying "background is blurry" in your backlog for the next 5 years.
>I have mainly used pangocairo, which is based around CPU rendering text to a pixel buffer.
Then you're using it wrong/using the wrong tool. Re-paying text layout at every render is already painful and it should be cached, your font rendering should absolutely be in a texture atlas.
>If DWM has only one buffer which all windows share
Slightly inaccurate in my answer there, but DWM only keeps one final composition buffer, which it handles itself from the various windows (that do have their own buffer, but only for their size and are only kept active if the window is visible.)
Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM
#457This took me down a rabbit whole. Why can a simple single purpose app not be just a couple megabytes if not less? The popular options are electron 100MB+, or embedding python3 in your executable which is at least 40MB. But if you build it natively, you should have all of Microsoft tools at your disposition, dlls and such. In theory, this should allow you to make a 1 mb app or less. But in practice, it's the worse opt…
Pictures and frame buffers. If you're running fullscreen at 4k, you're probably gonna take two roughly 3840x2160x3 byte frame buffers for the window. Your designers want a background image which moves as you scroll in some parallax style; that's over 3840x2160x3 bytes more for the pixel buffer backing the image layer. And let's say roughly 50% of your screen is text with subpixel (aka full color) anti aliasing; that…
Let’s maybe ease up on the designers, there. It’s not like they are the sole cause of bad decisions and developers always do everything right if not for their pesky demands. There are order of magnitudes more shitty apps caused by bad programming than by a designer wanting a larger image.
Plus, if you’re doing everything designers ask without questioning or collaboratively discussing the tradeoffs, there’s a non-zero chance that could be a you problem.
Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM
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* I never said all software handles the swapchain itself. The front and back buffers are obviously not usually allocated in user code. But they're allocated nonetheless and contributing to memory usage. * Not every app is fullscreen, but I was using a maximized app as an example. If you make the window smaller then yeah obviously the numbers get smaller proportionally. * A ton of people have 4k displays, it's difficu…
>it's difficult to find a moderately high end laptop Terrible news for you, people work on dogshit dells given by their company and netbooks, not high end laptops. Macbook Pros, high end laptops, etc are exceedingly rare. (And can also deal with the high memory usage by virtue of having more memory). >you want a background picture which fills the entire window Which you rarely do, and also you don't develop for eithe…
Are you disagreeing just to disagree? My numbers are obviously not going to fit every app in every situation, but I think they illustrate a perfectly realistic use case
For the text rendering thing, I think we're talking past each other? Nothing I mentioned implied redoing layout every frame? You render to a pixel buffer, upload that pixel buffer to the GPU, then just draw that texture every render.
For DWM, it sounds like you agree it has one shared composite buffer (which I didn't count in my calculations) and one front buffer and one back buffer per active application. Exactly as I said
Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM
#459My gaming PC that I built in January 2006 that IIRC I used to simultaneously run Battlefield 2, Trillian, Xfire, Thunderbird, and Winamp with a 1680x1050 monitor had 1 GB of total system RAM.
That's because programmers in 2006 didn't understand programming. They didn't understand how to make their software better.
Real programming means writing your own javascript glue, pulling in hundreds of supply-chain-compromised js libraries that you never inspect or profile, and running the whole thing in a browser engine, while making sure to store all state in the cloud.
The modern breed of programmers who don't understand programming have switched from C and C++ to Rust and Go, so they're on the right track of using more resources to improve the developer and user experience, but they haven't gone nearly far enough. They still do dumb things like write efficient code, and profile and put effort into reducing binary and resident size. They should trust in javascript and the browser and the internet, like all good programmers do.
Zig programmers have completely lost the plot. They're of the type that tries to write "hello, world" manually rather than pulling in a third party library so they can efficiently call helloWorld(). Writing single-binary apps that fit on a floppy? Who even cares? What even is a floppy? How do they call themselves programmers without css and advertising telemetry?
Re: Windows 11's built-in Weather app wastes more than 1 GB of RAM
#460This took me down a rabbit whole. Why can a simple single purpose app not be just a couple megabytes if not less? The popular options are electron 100MB+, or embedding python3 in your executable which is at least 40MB. But if you build it natively, you should have all of Microsoft tools at your disposition, dlls and such. In theory, this should allow you to make a 1 mb app or less. But in practice, it's the worse opt…
Pictures and frame buffers. If you're running fullscreen at 4k, you're probably gonna take two roughly 3840x2160x3 byte frame buffers for the window. Your designers want a background image which moves as you scroll in some parallax style; that's over 3840x2160x3 bytes more for the pixel buffer backing the image layer. And let's say roughly 50% of your screen is text with subpixel (aka full color) anti aliasing; that…
On GPU, won't it be like BC3 compressed texture?