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Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by geon »

delusional wrote: post #412
wiether wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm confused by your answer because I can't tell which way you're going. Are you saying companies have to mandate AI everywhere? Or are you saying the exact opposite, as your second sentence suggests? I haven't heard of AI mandates in small companies, only in big ones.

He's just making a general "efficient markets" argument. He's arguing that whatever happens in a couple of years will be the right thing, no matter what is happening now. That is essentially not an argument in any direction.

Inshallah

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Post by mikae1 »

lostglass wrote: post #416
cevn wrote: post #406

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The other day claude spun up 100 agents and took an hour to type 30k token document to tell me something was impossible to do. I googled it, found a pr on the 3rd link that showed it was possible. "You're absolutely right!!"

"You can't use reflection if the classes aren't in the class loader" "I see why you would think that however this should work, let's test it." -Claude, burning my company's money.

> Claude, burning my company's money.

And the planet... While I experience some schadenfreude when reading these comments from programmers, I also can not help to wonder when this insanity will this end.

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Post by FridgeSeal »

rebuilder wrote: post #371
murphomatic wrote: post #341

Get ready for this to become a common theme. Boardrooms are still engaged in the fever-dream promise that AI will solve all their problems, particularly those involving pesky humans. The simple lesson of "AI is another tool" will be a hard-learned one. Some industries, such as software, will take more time to mop themselves into a corner before they discover that velocity should never be a first-class concern. Speed…

To the boardroom class, employees are tools as well.

I wish I could work somewhere where I’m _marginally_ less subject to the whims of the Boardroom class.

I’m sure they’re having a great time, and getting filthy rich doing it, but I don’t enjoy having my livelihood attached to the consequences of their repeatedly-stupid-behaviour.

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Post by pjc50 »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #372
pmontra wrote: post #360

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And yet all the time you spend performing those recalls should be annoying. Maybe you don't plan to eventually sell your car on the second hand market but if you do, a car without all the required recalls could have a lower value than one with all the recalls applied.

eh, every 6 months to a year I bring the car in to the dealer to handle the stack of pending recalls, during which I get a rental, courtesy of Ford. It's not much of a deal for me. Few of the issues I've experienced with the car were clearly tied to quality issues: 1) Battery died a few times, but maybe that was user error 2) squirrels/rats nibbled the engine cable harness, a not-uncommon occurrence in our area. Only…

Still enjoying my 05 Focus, in which I have done zero recalls, although I did have to fix the persistent trunk leaks with bathroom sealant.

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Post by tgv »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #433
tgv wrote: post #403

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That's corporate eco-terrorism. How did we sink so low?

If your manager is asking you why you aren’t hammering 500 nails a day with your company hammer under threat of replacement, you’re going stop worrying about the surfaces your driving nails in to and simply start swinging.

1. It is not comparable. Idk the environmental toll of 500 nails, but tokenmaxxing definitely has one. Especially when it doesn't have any provable and substantial benefit.

2. Your responsibility doesn't end because your manager says so.

3. It's not just about the employee who actually burns the tokens, but also about the rest of it: the idiocy up to the top, and the irresponsibility of the companies offering the service.

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Post by pammf »

AI is here to stay. Like it or not.

We will still see several reports of over adoption, mistakes, regression… all will only serve to learn, refine, and hopefully regulate.

I think it’s pretty naive to expect the entire world will simply discard the technology and go back to having humans doing it all.

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Post by A_D_E_P_T »

Incipient wrote: post #393

I have spent a SOLID 3 full days 8h/day (plus long running tasks overnight) thrashing out a random idea for a Web application using purely Opus (mostly Max, sometimes ultracode version). I'm not a project manager, but I genuinely tried a full 3-tier spec out - design->specs->build details. While it was significantly better than previous attempts, it still misses very basic things - sporadically. Eg. A clear design re…

> I haven't managed to really figure out what's the best way

For you, the best way is to break your code down into modules insofar as possible, so that you don't overrun the context window. Opus Max starts forgetting things the minute it begins compressing your conversation -- and multiple compressions can make for gaps in memory.

I find that it's also important to have another model serve as review/critique. I use Opus Max for code and 5.5 Pro for immediate code review. The latter will often pick up on things that might have been missed, and will usually provide good suggestions.

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Post by swiftcoder »

KronisLV wrote: post #414
plaguuuuuu wrote: post #392

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AI mandate is one of the best things that's happened to me. It's the easiest metric to game in the world. At one point my boss asked why my AI usage was lower than other team members. I instantly knew what to do. Every session is now run at ultracode effort. My automated PR review bot averages like $80 in usage per PR review.

I'd unironically like my workplace to cover AI spend for me. There's so, so much mechanically simple but time consuming refactoring that should be done but nobody ever does that because there's never enough free time. Or even various utility scripts and at least finding out of date docs (or writing very basic ones where none exist, though it'd be hard to get them not to feel like slop writing). Or figuring out what a…

> If I had the Anthropic Max 20x subscription

Most of the tasks you have listed you could do with Haiku, GPT mini, or DeepSeek Flash.

An Anthropic Max 20x subscription is considerable overkill for this sort of task.

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Post by kitd »

rmason wrote: post #342

Back in the nineties Ford ran a lot of ads about how quality was job one. But in the last twenty years their quality declined by a large amount at the same time other brands were getting better. I say that as a lifelong fan of Ford, quality was why I left the brand two years ago.

I think this may be a US thing. Fords built in Europe are pretty decent. Reliable (compared with most other makes), cheap parts and ubiquitous servicing. I've bought Fords (in the UK) for about the last 20 years and have in the main been very satisfied.
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