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Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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The problem with that is, parents be like: >Here kid, take my key, go get me some beer. Everyone everywhere gets forced to deal with bullshit, then the people it is supposed to be protecting circumvent it directly.

Also, let's be honest, outside of some loud privacy concerned voices, most people don't care and they will prefer to scan their faces with the phone they have at home which is an action they are already used to do than to spend money to buy some nerdy device.

Phones have the nerdy device built into them too (secure elements/TPM chips) — it should be pretty easy to have the TPM-based key verified by the government once.

But even if it just confirmed adult vs under 18, it would allow for easy segregation and building a database of kids.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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> Social media was unleashed onto the world with no harm studies or thought for the long term impact. To require a safety study for anything someone might "unleash" as a public product would be bonkers: nobody would be able to release anything at all. But I do not think social media as such — when originally it came to prominence — was anything that caused significant harm. Things like internet forums, BBs and blogs…

> To require a safety study for anything someone might "unleash" as a public product would be bonkers Let’s examine that and see if it holds up. To sell food, it is regulated and must be approved. And drugs. And cars. And anything that plugs into power. Anything that makes noise. Anything with an engine. Any kids toy. Any structural or safety item. In fact, I would say the very vast majority of “public products” that…

Well, all of those have specific rules written about them to except them from the default "no restrictions".

You can build a shovel and sell it. You can build a ceramic dish and sell it. You can print a book and sell it...

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Who runs this site? There doesn't appear to be any information on this. A whois search returns nothing illuminating. So... is it part of the parable they're trying to tell that they're seeing who will go against the exact sort of advice they're giving? Or does this -just happen to be- the kind of shady data gathering that they're warning against? to quote the site itself, "We spent a generation teaching people the fi…

> Or does this -just happen to be- the kind of shady data gathering that they're warning against? How? There are no forms on the website. Wouldn't it actually be logical for a person advocating for privacy not disclosing his identity?

When I visited the page there was a field to enter your email to "sign" a pledge of refusal.

The state I saw appears to be preserved in the first Wayback Machine snapshot:

https://web.archive.org/web/20260622140511/https://nevergive...

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

#454

Who runs this site? There doesn't appear to be any information on this. A whois search returns nothing illuminating. So... is it part of the parable they're trying to tell that they're seeing who will go against the exact sort of advice they're giving? Or does this -just happen to be- the kind of shady data gathering that they're warning against? to quote the site itself, "We spent a generation teaching people the fi…

> whois search returns nothing illuminating Which is something you should expect from someone intent on privacy

Absolutely, if they're not asking for your information, as they were when I visited the site. The Wayback Machine snapshot here [0] shows a site identical to the one I visited.

[0] https://web.archive.org/web/20260622140511/https://nevergive...

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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> was AI, but it was interesting nonetheless I suspect the prompt given to the AI was 3 sentences, maybe interesting sentences, and everything else was AI expanded, a waste of everyone's time? (Those who read everything)

That would imply that all of the knowledge held with these models is an uninteresting waste of everyone's time. I don't believe that's true.

Yes I guess there exists such blog posts. And that it varies from person to person of course (what they already know or dont).

This blog post in particular though, I got so bored so I couldn't finish reading it. I gave it another quick try now because of your comment :-)

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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> To require a safety study for anything someone might "unleash" as a public product would be bonkers Let’s examine that and see if it holds up. To sell food, it is regulated and must be approved. And drugs. And cars. And anything that plugs into power. Anything that makes noise. Anything with an engine. Any kids toy. Any structural or safety item. In fact, I would say the very vast majority of “public products” that…

Well, all of those have specific rules written about them to except them from the default "no restrictions". You can build a shovel and sell it. You can build a ceramic dish and sell it. You can print a book and sell it...

Right, there are plenty of things that have no restrictions.

Over the years once a thing was deemed a significant impact or safety concerns, restrictions were added to it.

Doing so for social media is very far from unprecedented.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Did people used to do it 5 times every 10 sentences?

Bad writers do worse

I didn't ask about other worse things, I asked about this specific bad thing.

Since you dodged the question, I guess your real answer is "no, people never did this" and therefore "yes, this is AI slop"

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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These are normal patterns in US English. The zeal to accuse limits the scope of possible responses. There are all sorts of things humans do when writing that LLMs mimic — em-dashes for instance — that are entirely legitimate ways to communicate but get shouted down for… reasons? Surely you’re aware that LLMs were trained on the ways humans write specifically to mimic them? Yes? So what’s the gripe? Someone cranked ou…

I'm advocating that if people present a written text for others to consume, they should specify whether an LLM or a human produced it. I think that's super reasonable, you don't?

Having thought about this for a bit now, I am honestly not sure. I think that obviously the end goal would be to not need to include such a disclaimer. But in the interim while AI is being constructed? Maybe that’s a good thing?

Somewhere in this conversation we need to make room for the following idea:

Mostly we seem to take in information, check who it’s from, and either digest or discard it. With AI acting as a “force multiplier”, so to speak, we can no longer do that simple check — we have to actually engage with the text, which is often longer than anticipated, and really attempt to understand it, whereas in the past we could lean on authority and reputation. And it could be pure bullshit! Reputation gets around that neatly. But it also makes it possible to disregard the thoughts and opinions of everyone without authority or reputation really easily.

All of society is based around that authority and reputation mattering. With AI, we all have to disregard authority & reputation and actually engage with the ideas presented. This is uncomfortable for many who have authority and reputation presently because they simply aren’t used to having to acknowledge the thoughts of people they consider themselves “better than” — or perhaps simply “lower status socially, economically, etc.”

Now if you want all points of view represented in society and for the socially and economically advantaged people to have less of a voice overall, perhaps AI furthers that goal? Perhaps the desire to label stuff as “AI or LLM generated” really is us just clinging to an old familiar way.

Honestly, I’m still not sure.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are normal patterns in US English. The zeal to accuse limits the scope of possible responses. There are all sorts of things humans do when writing that LLMs mimic — em-dashes for instance — that are entirely legitimate ways to communicate but get shouted down for… reasons? Surely you’re aware that LLMs were trained on the ways humans write specifically to mimic them? Yes? So what’s the gripe? Someone cranked ou…

Are you saying that people are being tricked to being anti-intellectuals? If even the smart people are anti-intellectual, society loses.

No, I don’t think anyone is being tricked. I think people aren’t used to accepting information from all parties, and are looking for a quick way to determine if an article (or whatever) is valid and worthy of their time. I think this applies equally to all levels of intelligence, from the dumbest to the smartest. We all want a quick filter.

I do find it more troubling when people who are very intelligent dismiss things out of a sense that “AI did it” so it isn’t worth engaging at all.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Well, all of those have specific rules written about them to except them from the default "no restrictions". You can build a shovel and sell it. You can build a ceramic dish and sell it. You can print a book and sell it...

Right, there are plenty of things that have no restrictions. Over the years once a thing was deemed a significant impact or safety concerns, restrictions were added to it. Doing so for social media is very far from unprecedented.

Just like "unleashing it into the world" without safety studies is far from unprecedented — it is, actually, a default.
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