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GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by wolvoleo »

flaburgan wrote: post #289
wolvoleo wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think OSM is way way better. It has every little path in the hills I walk. On Google Maps I'm just walking in a featureless green blob. OSM even has unofficial trails that are no more than a worn-down line in the brush. Maybe for cars Google is better but I don't use those. But even there I see really detailed stats. OSMAnd is a really great full featured mapping app. A real tool that you can configure in detail. A…

Don't forget to update the business hours in OSM when you see they are missing / wrong

Yes but I mean special holiday opening hours etc. Most places do keep these up to date in google.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by singpolyma3 »

fluidcruft wrote: post #132
singpolyma3 wrote: post #90

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TBF if Google locked down the devices like that it would be a GPL violation. Not their first or whatever but still, there's a reason for them not to do that beside "being nice"

Not really. Tivo did that eons ago. Whether you view this as a "flaw" or "feature" of GPLv2 it's ultimately why GPLv3 now exists. The Linux kernel developers see what Tivo did as a "feature" rather than a "flaw" and refuse GPLv3.

TiVo never prevented installing your own build in the device. They only prevented running their proprietary app on top of it when you had done so.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by singpolyma3 »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #112
singpolyma3 wrote: post #90

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TBF if Google locked down the devices like that it would be a GPL violation. Not their first or whatever but still, there's a reason for them not to do that beside "being nice"

Would it? IANAL, but AIUI the only GPL component is Linux on GPLv2 which requires providing code but not giving the ability to install it

Yes. GPLv2 specifically contains a clause that you must provide "scripts to control compilation and installation"

Source you can't compile or install onto the device wouldn't be very useful.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by d3Xt3r »

Cider9986 wrote: post #447
d3Xt3r wrote: post #421

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Ubuntu Touch (or any Linux distro for that matter) offers drastically more freedom than GrapheneOS or any other Android distribution. Some people care more about freedom than so called "security", and I don't know about you, but I'll take freedom any day.

How can you be free when you're not private or secure? Grapheneos is fully open source and comes with 0 Google services. >so called "security" Grapheneos is widely recognized as one of the most secure operating systems.

> How can you be free when you're not private or secure?

Are you serious? Have you even seen the state of modern operating systems compared to the operating systems of the 80s and 90s? I've had way more fun and learnt lot more about computers messing around with OSes that let you did whatever the hell you wanted to. Modern OSes have sacrificed a lot in that name of security.

As for privacy, that's a completely separate topic. You can have privacy on a OS which offers freedom, depends on what "privacy" you're taking about.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by teekert »

izacus wrote: post #444
dackdel wrote: post #239

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for some reason i read that in archer(animated) voice.

Probably because it's a dumb useless comment in the same vein as most of that show.

I read this in a whiny high pitched voice with my nose and lower lip pulled up.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by rpassos »

StrLght wrote: post #424
heyheyhouhou wrote: post #400

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I had the same idea in mind, would you mind sharing how you do it? I also use 2 phones, GrapheneOS as my daily, another phone at home just with banking stuff and some other crappy apps. Few questions if you dont mind answering: - do you have to keep the phone screen switched on? - Do you access via VNC? - Can you access it from another phone? is it usable? Thanks!

Sure, will do a small write-up about my setup in a few hours.

Me too.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by Cider9986 »

SchwKatze wrote: post #457

Does it means that any device that supports android 17 will support graphene as well?

No, only devices meeting the hardware requirements will be supported and it's a lot of manual work per device for them to support a device.

Reqs: https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices

Currently that means modern pixels and the next generation Motorola flagships once they come out.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by Cider9986 »

gck1 wrote: post #369

I was using GrapheneOS for years, until the battery died while I was on an important call, trying to get someplace. Plugged it in, but little did I remember that I had installed OS update that was pending app optimization phase that happens during next boot. GrapheneOS has some hardening in this phase, which as I understand, essentially has to rebuild all apps without cache. And as I have a ton of apps, I was parked…

I have multi day battery life and I only charge to 80% so it was either user error or a hardware failure.

GOS has much better battery than stock pixel ui because of less services and telemetry.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by StingyJelly »

xvedejas wrote: post #171
phreack wrote: post #84

That Motorola phone that lets you install Graphene can not come soon enough. Pixel phones are not sold worldwide so it feels like they're gatekeeping security. I know that's not the case really, but there's very few ways to successfully degoogle otherwise.

I just moved away from GrapheneOS to Motorola because I decided I needed an audio jack again. There's definitely some annoying things about leaving, but at least now I can use again the three apps that didn't work for me on GrapheneOS...

I use usb-c dac and it is honestly fine. you can get one with charging bypass and keep that one with the charger
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