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Building an HTML-first site doubled our users overnight

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Re: Building an HTML-first site doubled our users overnight

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The La Brea Tar Pits => The the tar tar pits My favorite from Southern California.

OK, I have to admit, that one I didn't know. It's only a matter of time until someone posts "Torpenhow Hill" -- which does not exist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpenhow_Hill

All from the Department of Redundancy Department.

Re: Building an HTML-first site doubled our users overnight

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My cheap phone has 6 cores and 8GB I think. My first cheap phone had 1 core and 256MB. Both ran Android. I think you're mistaken.

old != oldest They are referring to this: https://us-east-1-shared-usea1-02.graphassets.com/cluuijofv0...

Oh, I know it's not the point but I find it a bit disingenuous going from iPhone base model to the Pro in the last 3 years and still comparing to the base model Samsung S series. Though maybe I'm missing something non obvious.

But yeah, generally I've seen a better experience buying used phones (in good condition) instead of budget/cheap new ones.

Re: Building an HTML-first site doubled our users overnight

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I read the article in the source code mode and thought it was intentional until I came back to the comments P.S. your solution seems to have disabled the custom font instead of fixing it

You're right. Seems like it fails when the font is correctly selected. Another machine running Firefox on Linux didn't have a problem.

It's not just you, I have the same problem.

Re: Building an HTML-first site doubled our users overnight

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My cheap phone has 6 cores and 8GB I think. My first cheap phone had 1 core and 256MB. Both ran Android. I think you're mistaken.

old != oldest They are referring to this: https://us-east-1-shared-usea1-02.graphassets.com/cluuijofv0...

> single-core scores

> only goes back to 2015

Re: Building an HTML-first site doubled our users overnight

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As a non-web dev, I have a question about this part: > There was a sad coda; as is the way of contract work, I moved on. I explained what I had built to my replacement, that it always worked even without javascript. He was appalled and said, “but that’s a lot more work for us.” Why is it more work? The approach described in the article seems honestly reasonably simple: just write the standard components for the form,…

I'm risking being wrong here, but I think the difficulty is getting conforming behavior across all device and browser combos.

This is the only correct answer in this entire thread! Congrats!

Re: Building an HTML-first site doubled our users overnight

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Starting a few years ago, I realized some junior and medior engineers never once considered the possibility of building a website (app, experience, etc.) in anything other than a heavy SPA framework. But they're not stupid people! If you directly asked "Can you build a website without React?" they know the answer is obviously "Yes." However, if you asked them to build a new website, they would unthinkingly start a ne…

Yup. It’s exactly like the dismal state of CSS frameworks we're mired in. All these new kids walk in and learn the CSS framework du jour first, then find themselves stranded when things move on. If they had just learned CSS the first time, they'd be set for life. Nobody should learn React before learning HTML and vanilla javascript. HN last week: Learn SQL Once, Use It for 30 Years https://news.ycombinator.com/item?i…

Yeah but at least now we don't argue about Bootstrap or Foundation, it's just go with Tailwind.

I still remember when a good chunk of the web took Bootstrap's defaults and ran with it.

That said I've still got a bone to pick with Tailwind but I understand it's a good compromise in a world where BEM and CUBE and other methodologies require more effort up front and if done incorrectly impose a bigger burden.

Re: Building an HTML-first site doubled our users overnight

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It is harder to do more with less. There is a reason React and other is used so much. Makes it easier to make interactive websites. It’s like asking why backend engineers think it’s harder to code an api using C instead of using Django.

I used to think that was true but I now think it’s only true for very interaction-heavy apps: if you have hundreds of interactions on a page over many minutes, using an SPA is amortized across a lot of time, but if it’s something you could do with e.g. a simple Django app you’ll not only be done faster but will spend an order of magnitude less time on maintenance and accessibility work.

That's usually not even in the books of a typical SPA: It doesn't have fallbacks at all, and just shows a blank white page. Accessibility is always taking a rear seat with such SPAs.

Re: Building an HTML-first site doubled our users overnight

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post #198

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Starting a few years ago, I realized some junior and medior engineers never once considered the possibility of building a website (app, experience, etc.) in anything other than a heavy SPA framework. But they're not stupid people! If you directly asked "Can you build a website without React?" they know the answer is obviously "Yes." However, if you asked them to build a new website, they would unthinkingly start a ne…

You are far too empathetic to them. They should not hold the jobs they have. These are the people writing React monstrosities for government benefit websites, and testing them on fast iPhones and fast 4G, without realizing that every page load for actual users will take 30 seconds on their old $200 Android on 3G, and users won’t complete the form. It’s a culture of not giving a shit, that’s the deeper issue.

Most companies actively punish you for giving a shit. The more shit you give, the worse things get for you. Not giving a shit is a form of self-preservation.

Re: Building an HTML-first site doubled our users overnight

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By this point people don't appear to have any real clue how to write HTML anymore. Writing semantic HTML isn't significantly harder than say writing Markdown. You copy some HTMl skeleton and you literally just stack your elements into the body. I managed to do that as a 13 year old on MySpace without any deep instruction. Sure you have to close elements as well so the syntax is slightly harder than markdown, but that…

> writing straight html and css sucked. building reddit css themes sucked

This is not semantic HTML.

Re: Building an HTML-first site doubled our users overnight

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post #198

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Starting a few years ago, I realized some junior and medior engineers never once considered the possibility of building a website (app, experience, etc.) in anything other than a heavy SPA framework. But they're not stupid people! If you directly asked "Can you build a website without React?" they know the answer is obviously "Yes." However, if you asked them to build a new website, they would unthinkingly start a ne…

You are far too empathetic to them. They should not hold the jobs they have. These are the people writing React monstrosities for government benefit websites, and testing them on fast iPhones and fast 4G, without realizing that every page load for actual users will take 30 seconds on their old $200 Android on 3G, and users won’t complete the form. It’s a culture of not giving a shit, that’s the deeper issue.

> These are the people writing React monstrosities for government benefit websites, and testing them on fast iPhones and fast 4G, without realizing that every page load for actual users will take 30 seconds on their old $200 Android on 3G, and users won’t complete the form.

@concinds, you yourself are being too empathetic. I am trying to view these websites on my $2,000 PC on high speed internet, and it still is maddeningly slow.

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