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A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by hinkley »

Leonard_of_Q wrote: post #345
enaaem wrote: post #274

American zoning is weird. You can't walk to a grocery store, but you can walk to a data center.

Mwah, that depends on what you consider walking distance. I remember walking back from a Rite-Aid in SF when attending an IETF conference, entering the conference hotel and being asked by other attendees 'where the hell I managed to find a Rite-Aid here'? Well, it may have been a 1.5 km walk but it was there, sure enough. I did not look it up beforehand, just started walking out of the centre and found one. Sure, if…

I mean to be fair if you add that 3km onto the walking you're already doing for the conference, that's a lot for most of us. Zigzagging a conference floor all day is a LOT of steps.

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by ticulatedspline »

Lerc wrote: post #417

The picture at the top of the article seems at odds with the text of the article. The text says 135,000 square feet for the data center. Given the area marked city owned property says it is 560 feet. 135,000 square feet would be an area 240 feet wide alongside the road. The area marked in red. is substantially larger than that. 130680 square feet is three acres. I wonder if the number is a rounded conversion from acr…

pretty sure the red is the bulk of parcel R130425000A0001 52.42 acres.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1601-Martin-Luther-King-J...

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by mfcl »

whack wrote: post #443
josephg wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw a clip the other day of an American comedian doing crowd work in Paris. He asked the audience what America should do, and the French said - something like - they should punch the police more and light things on fire. To me that sounds crazy! But, I can see how it works for the French. They protest all the time, and the government is very responsive to the needs of the people. Much more so than the American gove…

> the French said - something like - they should punch the police more and light things on fire. I'm trying to wrap my head around this as well. Do these people want "punching the police and lighting things on fire" to be a freely permitted form of free speech? If so, should anyone be legally allowed to destroy any amount of stuff, for any reason they feel unhappy about? Or is this a case of "blowing stuff up should…

No, it should be illegal, otherwise everything would get destroyed whenever someone is slightly destroyed. Illegality serves as a kind of filter so that when enough people risk jail or death for a cause, that's because they really had enough.

I haven't given that a lot of thought, and it feels weird to say, but maybe the opinion that an act should be done and should be illegal can be true at the same time.

When a citizen commits a crime, they messed up. When ten commit a crime, they messed up. When half the village destroys the chief's home, the chief messed up.

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by bubblegumcrisis »

wat10000 wrote: post #422
SecretDreams wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It certainly feels like we need a reset on the expectations placed upon politicians at all levels of governance. Somehow. I think politicians have completely lost the plot in their job and who they represent. Instead, they seem all ideologically or financially motivated, and largely seem to get their marching orders from select wealthy CEOs. It's a very bad look that will get worse since trust in govern being so low…

Society's elites have forgotten that civil institutions exist to be an alternative to resolving disputes through violence. If they completely bend those institutions to their will and leave the common people out in the cold, the result isn't acquiescence, it's revolt. I, too, worry that they're going to rediscover this the hard way at some point.

Shouldn't this revolution be planned for sooner than later. I mean, after the billionaires have robot armies..

I always assumed that this was the end goal of the AI. It's not for normal people, it's for the super wealthy to magnify their power, both economically and physically.

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Post by trinsic2 »

smoe wrote: post #323
josephg wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw a clip the other day of an American comedian doing crowd work in Paris. He asked the audience what America should do, and the French said - something like - they should punch the police more and light things on fire. To me that sounds crazy! But, I can see how it works for the French. They protest all the time, and the government is very responsive to the needs of the people. Much more so than the American gove…

I don't know how effective the French protests are, since I haven't lived in Europe for a while. But even as a Swiss, at least judging from TV, protests in the U.S. generally seem very tame. Not advocating punching the police as a default, but in my opinion, protests need to be disruptive if they're going to get anyone's attention at all. I don't really see what a few people standing on the sidewalk with cardboard si…

I agree. people should be shutting down all commerce, but people are so overworked or living from paycheck to pay check its probably hard to do the kind of protesting that needs to happen. Seems like UK is bad.

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by bubblegumcrisis »

Lerc wrote: post #374
cyanydeez wrote: post #348

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yeah, it's interesting how we're not allowed to call for violence, eh.

The problem is that, while there are times when violent acts may bring about positive outcomes, it is extremely rare for those outcomes to be in the minds of those committing the acts. It is far more common for someone to commit violence as an expression of their anger, while rationalising that it is justified because they are aware of the arguments in favour of violence apply to whatever it is that they really want…

Do you think that people haven't had enough time to think about wealth disparity?

This argument you make is fine for spur of the moment violence, but for acts resulting from the structure violence of the super wealthy. Dunno.

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by Lerc »

ticulatedspline wrote: post #452
Lerc wrote: post #417

The picture at the top of the article seems at odds with the text of the article. The text says 135,000 square feet for the data center. Given the area marked city owned property says it is 560 feet. 135,000 square feet would be an area 240 feet wide alongside the road. The area marked in red. is substantially larger than that. 130680 square feet is three acres. I wonder if the number is a rounded conversion from acr…

pretty sure the red is the bulk of parcel R130425000A0001 52.42 acres. https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1601-Martin-Luther-King-J...

I measured it out. I think it's the bulk of red, possibly ending at the dashed lines at the right-top. That area going all the way down including the housing development and cutting out both of the substations is 87 acres.

Each of the three marked buildings (assuming the two grey and three white rectangles make up a single building) is 135,000 square feet.

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by anigbrowl »

whack wrote: post #443
josephg wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw a clip the other day of an American comedian doing crowd work in Paris. He asked the audience what America should do, and the French said - something like - they should punch the police more and light things on fire. To me that sounds crazy! But, I can see how it works for the French. They protest all the time, and the government is very responsive to the needs of the people. Much more so than the American gove…

> the French said - something like - they should punch the police more and light things on fire. I'm trying to wrap my head around this as well. Do these people want "punching the police and lighting things on fire" to be a freely permitted form of free speech? If so, should anyone be legally allowed to destroy any amount of stuff, for any reason they feel unhappy about? Or is this a case of "blowing stuff up should…

I think you've misunderstood. Such things are also illegal in France. But there are times you need to be prepared to break the law to bring about political change, eg if a government repeatedly demonstrates indifference to public concern.

Suppose you are living under very corrupt or autocratic governance, and you protest in the conventional way (marching, waving signs and banners and so on) bu the government simply ignores it, or slanders the protestors for having a different opinion. What do you do then?

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Post by ipaddr »

soco wrote: post #414
mothballed wrote: post #341

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In the US if you're with a group of people and there is some leader or group planning unlawful property destruction or violence, there is a very very good chance it is a fed or confidential informant operation and you are the mark / patsy to which all the blame will be assigned when you're staring at a sheet of paper that says US v [your name] .

Are you trying to say the US are snitches? Or in any case, more snitches than the Europeans? More snitches than the ex-communists from the Eastern Europe?

Not snitches but paid government workers trying to get you to commit crimes and then you get arrested.

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by Lerc »

soco wrote: post #416
Lerc wrote: post #371

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How well did they turn out for people each time?

Health insurance, unions, paid vacation... al in all I'd say not that bad.

also

>two empires, three monarchies and a bunch of short-lived totalitarian regimes, coups and other major political events.

Do you think you'd still have the Health insurance, unions, and paid vacation after another roll of the dice

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