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Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by adampunk »

madrox wrote: post #440

I wonder if Elon ever expected to win, or even cared about winning. It's been obvious for a while that OpenAI becoming for-profit historically wasn't really an issue for him, despite what he says in public these days. I imagine that for him the goal was always to damage OpenAI's reputation in order to distract them from progress or raising capital, giving xAI more time to catch up. I don't think it's a coincidence he…

yeah, he had a secret plan to file his lawsuit late. Real n-dimensional chess here.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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madrox wrote: post #440

I wonder if Elon ever expected to win, or even cared about winning. It's been obvious for a while that OpenAI becoming for-profit historically wasn't really an issue for him, despite what he says in public these days. I imagine that for him the goal was always to damage OpenAI's reputation in order to distract them from progress or raising capital, giving xAI more time to catch up. I don't think it's a coincidence he…

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Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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rolph wrote: post #265
robocat wrote: post #238

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Why did he need a second 250 billion after the first 250 billion? Makes me think of a inverted Zeno's paradox. Why do you need an extra dollar? I can answer for myself: New Zealand plans to tax the shit out of anyone that has more[A]. You need a fukton more than median wealth to be able to protect yourself against your own government. The type of person that enjoys chasing money doesn't stop. [A] via capital gains ta…

"Why did he need a second 250 billion after the first 250 billion" because thats another 250 billion less for a competitor to use against you.

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Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by lotsofpulp »

rubyn00bie wrote: post #411
scottyah wrote: post #383

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That's a no, it's business as usual except they have massive cash reserves.

Having approximately $44 billion in cash on hand is not a massive cash reserve for any company with the market cap of Tesla ($1.3 trillion). Even less so when you realize how capital intensive its current car and non-existent robot business is… The entire EV market is risky right now for margin compression as Chinese EV manufacturers are really pulling ahead. It’s pretty wild to see just how far they’ve progressed wh…

> It’s pretty wild to see just how far they’ve progressed while the west mostly does nothing.

The “west” came up with Tesla and Rivian, and their cars are on the road. And the US tariffed chinese EVs. What else can be done to combat China’s lower priced labor and possibly more lax environmental regulations?

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by harrall »

hdndjsbbs wrote: post #233
knicholes wrote: post #224

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Getting to Mars, it would seem.

Does anyone seriously still believe this? I thought as a society we had realized Musk is simply BSing whatever he feels like until it becomes untenable.

Musk is like that person on Facebook you know that is really good at then they post about their thoughts on some other topic and all you can respond with is “stay in your lane.”

Musk has been successful is pure engineering efforts led by engineers he hired achieving the next big-but-not-too-big step.

You ignore his thoughts on everything else.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by codemog »

adampunk wrote: post #451
madrox wrote: post #440

I wonder if Elon ever expected to win, or even cared about winning. It's been obvious for a while that OpenAI becoming for-profit historically wasn't really an issue for him, despite what he says in public these days. I imagine that for him the goal was always to damage OpenAI's reputation in order to distract them from progress or raising capital, giving xAI more time to catch up. I don't think it's a coincidence he…

yeah, he had a secret plan to file his lawsuit late. Real n-dimensional chess here.

The amount of cope people have around Elon’s irrational drug addict behavior is insane. Was lying about being good at video games and getting caught also 8D chess too?

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by nixon_why69 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #430
nixon_why69 wrote: post #426

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He slashed tons of basic science funding under DOGE. At one point he was probably sincere but he's been consumed by culture war slop.

See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48186106

Yeah, but slashing basic science funding isn't a "yes, and", it's more of a "no, but". It goes directly against trying to get to mars.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by tptacek »

granzymes wrote: post #425
marcus_holmes wrote: post #420

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I don't think you understand how non-profits work. Essentially they are exactly the same as for-profits, except they can't issue dividends. Ownership works exactly the same as for-profit companies. A cynical take is that non-profits are for-salary; they still pay their owners, just using other means. edit: no, my bad, apparently I misunderstood how non-profits work in the USA. Thanks for the correction :)

This is not correct. jongjong is correct that a nonprofit does not have owners in the sense that a for-profit has owners. Nonprofits are dedicated to their mission, and are run by a board of directors. You cannot have a % ownership in a nonprofit because its resources must be used exclusively to carry out its mission. You could have a % control in its decision making process.

They're correct about the equity ownership bit, but not in their argument that there's an implicit public claim of control.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by sidcool »

madrox wrote: post #440

I wonder if Elon ever expected to win, or even cared about winning. It's been obvious for a while that OpenAI becoming for-profit historically wasn't really an issue for him, despite what he says in public these days. I imagine that for him the goal was always to damage OpenAI's reputation in order to distract them from progress or raising capital, giving xAI more time to catch up. I don't think it's a coincidence he…

I think the same. As much as I like Elon's companies, this case seemed like a strategy, and part envy. He wants to be the first in everything

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by laichzeit0 »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #418
aeternum wrote: post #354

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Interestingly, during the trial he promised to donate any potential financial winnings to OpenAI's charity. A move that surprisingly didn't get much press.

I genuinely don't know how to make a non-sarcastic statement about Mr. Elon Musk's promises. I especially struggle to not make a Venn diagram of people who still take Mr. Musk's promises seriously, and current state of American politics. I simply cannot make a sentence about Mr. Musks promises that will pass Hacker News guidelines of being serious and productive. ...And that's how I feel about Mr. Musks promises, par…

You’ve written around the existence of pronouns with impressive determination.
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