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Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format

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Re: Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format

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Post by xnickb »

briandear wrote: post #425
xnickb wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should the author care to make it digestible to the crowd who is clueless on the matter? Their goal is to capture attention and start discussion within the community. To me it doesn't seem reasonable at all. It's just entitled at best.

Good communication should be the goal of all writing.

No one is in a position to dictate individual people what their goals are. That's another example of entitlement.

As an individual author they are entitled to write whatever they want in their blogpost. I as a consumer of their writing am not entitled to anything

Re: Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format

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Post by RealCodingOtaku »

Nifty3929 wrote: post #296

Must I beg to have an acronym spelled out a least once, the first time it's used? Even if you assume 90% of readers already know, the other 10% (including me, in this case) will thank you, it doesn't take much effort, and it expands the reach of your communication or idea. Exceptions for cases where the acronym is just so well known that a lot of people don't even know what it stands for even though they know the con…

The comments are annoying. No matter the niche, it is always good to write the abbreviation the first time it is used, in fact, W3C recommends it[0]. Anyone who does not follow this either are not informed well enough, or has ableism. Most replies in this thread shows the latter.

https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Understanding/abbreviations

Re: Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format

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Post by ruszki »

C4K3 wrote: post #446
ruszki wrote: post #424

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Its article is 5 years old… So, yeah, it’s new.

Its article was reorganized (moved from plain Capture the Flag to Capture the flag (cybersecurity) ) 5 years ago. It's been on Wikipedia since 2004 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Capture_the_flag&...

Nice catch, I didn't read that part.

Re: Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format

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Post by ruszki »

jere wrote: post #438
sokoloff wrote: post #421

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Most people on this site are also familiar with the “XKCD 10000”. But not all, so: https://xkcd.com/1053/ (Amusingly, it even uses “30 years” as the timeframe.)

Classic of course. The point being: don't make fun of people for not knowing something. In this thread we're making fun of learned helplessness.

You are making fun of people who are saying that this article is shit, without addressing that part at all.

Re: Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format

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Post by fragmede »

fartfeatures wrote: post #417
w23j wrote: post #406

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CTF stands for Capture the Flag. So with that definition you have exactly zero more information about the article then without it. So I assume next you want a short description of what it actually means, like "CTF (Capture the Flag) are security competitions where the objective is to break...", which is completely ridiculous to include in an article aimed specifically at the CTF crowd.

It is easier to search for keywords (Capture the Flag) vs acronyms (CTF) which likely resolve to other terms as well. Child trust fund is the first result when I put CTF into Google. Admittedly searching CTF security solves that issue. A quick link to an article on CTF to make the post digestible by outsiders seems reasonable enough.

So right click on HCKSYD and Google search that to get there! The rest of us don't want to be treated to infants that need to be spoonful.

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Post by amirhirsch »

w23j wrote: post #405
amirhirsch wrote: post #332

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Let’s reduce this to absurdity: I think you only wanted clarification of CTF (Capture the Flag) and not AI (Artificial Intelligence) and not GPT-4 (Generative Pre-Trained Transformer version 4) and not CLI (Command Line Interface) and not MCP (Model Context Protocol) and not LLM (Large Language Model) Quoting TFA (The Fucking Article): “just adapt bro” lol at the BGP example

For people who are confused by this comment: lol = laughing out loud!

ROTFLMAO made my day!

Re: Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format

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Post by vladms »

tayo42 wrote: post #384
vladms wrote: post #73

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Did an LLM teach you a topic you did not feel like learning? For me the best human teachers were the ones that managed to make me interested on topics that I thought are boring/useless (many times my opinion being stupid, mostly due to lack of experience). So far with LLM I learn about things I know something (at least that they exist) and I am interested in, which is a small subset of things that one should learn du…

Post college, are you hiring random teachers you make you excited about random topics or something?

You could say so. Over the years I paied for a couple of courses that would include the classroom lecture at some known universities and did the course homework as well. Some of the companyes I worked for also sent me to ~1-week courses when I asked if I can improve on some topics.

While I had an influence on the general topic of the course I ended up discovering various things that I wouldn't have expected. I did not equally like all professors, but I felt it was better than reading a text.

I wouldn't do this for "", but there are many complex interesting topics out there.

Re: Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format

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Post by tuna74 »

famouswaffles wrote: post #416
mrandish wrote: post #275

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> except Khan Academy But that's not using "computers" as a computer but as a video player. When evaluating whether computers are "good for learning", I don't think we should include using a computer as a video player, a book, or even flash cards. It should be things a computers uniquely offer which a books, paper, videos and a physical reference library cannot. Based on the results of deploying hundreds of millions…

I think videos are a unique thing computers offer. Books I understand. You have them digital or not. But a video ? Without a computer, there is no video. You were present for the initial lecture or you weren't and that's it.

There were videos* before computers.

*Not really, but you could film stuff and display it.

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Post by delfinom »

raincole wrote: post #193
Retr0id wrote: post #90

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> I had a dev with supposedly 3 years experience and a degree in software who wouldn't have been able to write fizzbuzz without AI. If you remove the "without AI" and the end, I've been hearing similar anecdotes about fizzbuzz for years (isn't the whole point of fizzbuzz to filter out those candidates?)

Because "the next generation is ruined" is always a popular sentiment. It has been with us for at least two thousand years, and it surely won't go away in our lifetime. When this AI era's devs grow older they'll complain the newer generation can't even vide code too.

....Or you know it's actually true some of the times. Standardized test scores have bombed hard across the US in the last decade due to smartphones being wildly present in schools without control. Kids brains are legitimately rotted by a machines running software maximized to destroy the attention centers of their brains for life.

AI is just the icing on the cake. These kids are so cooked with developmentally stunted brains that they are forced to use AI as a crutch to function.

Re: Frontier AI has broken the open CTF format

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Post by legacynl »

> The issue was never that AI could help. CTF players have always used tools. [...] Teams that refused to use AI were not just missing a convenience; they were playing a slower version of the competition.

So the obvious solution is to fully ban AI and AI generated tools? To destroy your own hobby just because AI can semantically be considered a tool, seems very stupid to me. If the point of these CTFs is to practice and measure your skill, what becomes the point of the competition once everyone uses AI?

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