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Mercedes-Benz commits to bringing back physical buttons

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Re: Mercedes-Benz commits to bringing back physical buttons

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My 992.2 has AA/CarPlay, and an outstanding user interface, with a nice mix of configurable displays and physical buttons. Fairly certain it is a top 100 product in it's market.

> My 992.2 has AA/CarPlay, and an outstanding user interface kind of ironic because, IMO, the only priority for UX in a car like that is a steering wheel, gas pedal, and brake pedal. /not jealous.. well maybe a little :)

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Re: Mercedes-Benz commits to bringing back physical buttons

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As an old man yelling at clouds, I've been hanging onto a car from the 80s. Not only does it have physical controls, the controls are directly attached to the mechanical systems they operate. Currently the door locks are a little sticky (I need to pull the skins and lubricate everything). The electric solenoids can't quite overcome the friction, but with a little extra pressure I can muscle the lock to open or closed.

If the controls were a touchscreen, OR an physical switch that operated the locks electronically, the locks simply wouldn't work at all. I hate all the latency and ignored commands from physical buttons that work through software almost as much as I hate touchscreens.

The empowerment and psychological difference between a world where I /make/ things happen and a world where I /request/ things that may or may not happen feels like it is often overlooked.

Re: Mercedes-Benz commits to bringing back physical buttons

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I personally find Chevy's recent infotainment control center great (Equinox/Blazer, maybe others too). Physical buttons with lots of travel (almost feel like an old IBM keyboard) for HVAC essentials, knobs for temperature and volume, and a big screen.

They have struck a really good balance between traditional interfaces and the benefits of screens.

Re: Mercedes-Benz commits to bringing back physical buttons

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They just want to sell their navi map updates like they used to before CarPlay was a thing.

I used to drive a range rover sport that would display a long pop up with some legalese about focusing on the road while driving when I hit the navi button. It required acknowledging.

My car has one of those, but I rarely have to acknowledge it because once I put the car into reverse, the display switches to the rear camera. When I put the car back into drive, the normal display comes up and the message has been cleared.

Those acknowledgements are so stupid. There should be an assumed level of competence. If a person gets in a wreck because they weren't aware of their surroundings, it isn't the fault of a poorly worded (or missing) nag on the nav display.

My big pet peeve right now is the auto start/stop feature. You can permanently turn it off by installing a $50 device, but why should I have to do that?

Re: Mercedes-Benz commits to bringing back physical buttons

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See also Mercedes W115 and W123 240D. Even the ones with a manual transmission had a clock where the tach would go. The speedometer had a series of dots at particular speeds that indicate the shift points for each gear (e.g. 1 dot for 1-2 shift, 2 dots for 2-3, 3 dots 3-4). I'm not sure whether a tach was even an option. The higher spec models had them, though.

My W123 230TE definitely had a tach, and also the shift point dots, and a 3-speed thirstymatic. I wish I still had it.

Yeah my 300TD did as well. As you well know the wagons were super fancy though they had all the bells and whistles (except the sunroof, which was manual--and awesome!).

Re: Mercedes-Benz commits to bringing back physical buttons

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Software in Germany is simply not highly regarded, on the contrary. It is seen as necessary evil at best. Ageing population that finds itself overwhelmed is my guess. There are exceptions, but they are far and few between.

That seems like a good thing. Mostly software doesn't make people's lives better, instead it does the exact opposite. A society that recognizes that, and rejects the people who build it, is ahead of the curve.

Yeah but then you get demolished by the economies who made bank with software and loose a lot of your skilled youth to them via brain drain and are left with an ageing population and high welfare costs with nobody left to pay for it because they all left to work in SW in other countries.

You can't expect the entire population to share your luxury belief. People at the end of the day want a better living.

In a globally competitive environment, there's no virtue, no reward at the end, for dying on a hill as a broke luddite.

Re: Mercedes-Benz commits to bringing back physical buttons

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Never understood any appeal of a screen inside a car: 1. Reflections make you tilt, just to make some pesky highlights go away. Even if they are angled properly, there's always something (like a sun reflected by a watche's face) what causes nuissance at any angle 2. Car can go from a tunnel to a sunny valley in few seconds. That's 5 to 8 stops of dynamic range difference, that a human eye is easily designed to handle…

> you can reach with your hand to a AC knob, feel it's current set by finding the bulge with a finger and gently turn exactly how you want them. Zero lag, no eye contact necessary at all (keep that on the road!), instant feedback.

I really hate it when I go to tap some touchscreen button, there is a bump in the road, and I fat-finger something unintentional. But it happens every time I drive, turning routine interactions into safety threats as I must look at the screen to determine what went wrong and how to fix it.

Re: Mercedes-Benz commits to bringing back physical buttons

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Imagine buying a luxury car and finding the manufacturer saved like $10 on the very thing you interface with every single time you drive all the time, making the overall experience absolute shit.

"Can I pay you the $10 and you make my car not shit?" — "No, I'm sorry, we only make shit now".

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