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Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by suslik »

vigilantpuma wrote: post #323
sudobash1 wrote: post #179

As other commenters here have noted, I found this interesting but a little frustrating. The second color it asks about is clearly cyan (or turquoise). For me, this is like showing an orange screen and asking if it is red or yellow. I understand that across cultures "orange" does not exist as a distinctly named color (it only got its name in most European languages around the 1500s), but as someone who was trained sin…

This test is really using how English organizes color. In English, blue and green are basic color terms ([ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Color_Terms ]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Color_Terms )). You're right that we would have trouble with an orange screen if we were asked to call it red or yellow, but that's because orange is also a basic color term in English. Other languages draw those boundaries in…

> Other languages draw those boundaries in different places. For example, in Russian, light blue and dark blue are separate basic color terms (goluboy vs. siniy), so asking a Russian speaker to collapse those into a single category would feel just as wrong as collapsing orange into red or yellow does to us.

I don't know. I am a russian speaker and for me light blue (goluboy) is simply a type of blue.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by sumeno »

carlosjobim wrote: post #445
compiler-guy wrote: post #432

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Language evolves. Historical meaning can inform our understanding of modern usage but doesn’t dictate or govern it. Linguists call this “semantic drift” and it occurs in every language we know of. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_change Wikipedias first English example is: Awful – Literally "full of awe", originally meant "inspiring wonder (or fear)", hence "impressive". In contemporary usage, the word means "e…

Just because we can - and should - understand what people mean when they use words wrongly, doesn't mean that words don't have correct meanings. That makes the world poorer, for no benefit at all.

Why aren't you responding in Old English then? Surely that would be more correct since it is closer to the origin

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by abustamam »

Paracompact wrote: post #221
burkaman wrote: post #151

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I wouldn't assume most people do that. For me the last few looked basically the same so I selected the same color for all of them.

You can't assume most people do that, but you also can't assume most people do not do that.

Correct, but parent comment wasn't making any assumptions, merely stating that they wouldn't assume what GP was possibly assuming.

> I wouldn't assume most people do that.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by ajkjk »

pibaker wrote: post #289
ajkjk wrote: post #104

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There's no way for me to answer truthfully whether teal is blue or green. It is neither. Anything I give gives a false answer. The data is invalid.

How would you feel about a test for "teal or blue" or "teal or green?" You still need to make binary choices, just along different boundaries. Would it make any difference?

if the question was "is this more blue or more green" it would be somewhat more agreeable. but there really just have to be a "can't decide" option as well.

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by teach »

ulimn wrote: post #444
godshatter wrote: post #436

I get a blank white screen in firefox on windows. I don't consider this to be blue, so I guess their blue is not my blue.

I guess it's not a browser issue. I tried firefox, safari and brave on macos and neither worked, even in private window. Bummer.

Yeah this worked for me last night, but I too get a blank screen today.

In the developer console I see a CORS error for an attempt to load an SVG component from a CDN; I wonder if the dev pushed out a bad update

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by rav »

godshatter wrote: post #436

I get a blank white screen in firefox on windows. I don't consider this to be blue, so I guess their blue is not my blue.

Looking in dev console reveals that the issue is an error response from https://cdn.skypack.dev/canvas-confetti - at the moment that URL returns:

        A server error has occurred

        FUNCTION_INVOCATION_FAILED

        sfo1::qcpj5-1777386477345-b792e22509f4

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by carlosjobim »

sumeno wrote: post #452
carlosjobim wrote: post #445

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because we can - and should - understand what people mean when they use words wrongly, doesn't mean that words don't have correct meanings. That makes the world poorer, for no benefit at all.

Why aren't you responding in Old English then? Surely that would be more correct since it is closer to the origin

Why aren't you busy burning old manuscript and books, since they don't conform to your "new meaning" of words?

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by pinjasaur »

rav wrote: post #456
godshatter wrote: post #436

I get a blank white screen in firefox on windows. I don't consider this to be blue, so I guess their blue is not my blue.

Looking in dev console reveals that the issue is an error response from https://cdn.skypack.dev/canvas-confetti - at the moment that URL returns: A server error has occurred FUNCTION_INVOCATION_FAILED sfo1::qcpj5-1777386477345-b792e22509f4

Looks like there's an outage currently: https://status.skypack.dev/

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by saghm »

sudobash1 wrote: post #179

As other commenters here have noted, I found this interesting but a little frustrating. The second color it asks about is clearly cyan (or turquoise). For me, this is like showing an orange screen and asking if it is red or yellow. I understand that across cultures "orange" does not exist as a distinctly named color (it only got its name in most European languages around the 1500s), but as someone who was trained sin…

I had a similar reaction at first, but I also realized that the point isn't to literally say "if someone asked what color this was, I would say blue or green" but "do I consider this 'more blue than green' or 'more green than blue'". With the idea of color as a spectrum rather than a discrete set of values, it's reasonable to ask whether a given shade falls closer what you'd consider one value or another. Even though I don't consider cyan to "be" blue, I do consider it closer to blue than green, in the same way that I consider magenta to be closer to red than blue. This is entirely subjective though, and at least personally I find it fun to see the variety of perceptions people have!

Re: Is my blue your blue? (2024)

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Post by vigilantpuma »

jounker wrote: post #387
vigilantpuma wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This test is really using how English organizes color. In English, blue and green are basic color terms ([ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Color_Terms ]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Color_Terms )). You're right that we would have trouble with an orange screen if we were asked to call it red or yellow, but that's because orange is also a basic color term in English. Other languages draw those boundaries in…

The person you were responding to said that cyan feels like a completely different color to them, neither green nor blue. I had the same reaction when it gave me a color that I immediately identified as teal, and I learned my colors as a monolingual english speaker in Ohio. Therefore the supposition that all English speakers see only blue or green is an oversimplification.

I didn't say that English speakers only see blue or green. I said that those are the two basic color terms that cyan is in between, and cyan isn't a basic color term and thus collapses to one or the other if categorized under basic color terms. Same goes for teal.
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