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Waymo says can't avoid bike lanes because riders want to be dropped off in them

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Post by nandomrumber »

saagarjha wrote: post #379
nandomrumber wrote: post #358

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Didn’t your mumma teach you to share .

Didn’t yours teach you to put some more thought into how you engage with other people?

No, they didn’t really. I dunno, maybe I just wasn’t as fortunate as you in some respects.

> Working on the road does not give you priority on the roads.

What are you even talking about?

Of course it does. Look at any construction site next to a road where trucks are constantly stopping and cranes are operating. They’ll have part of the road cordoned off, or otherwise under their control.

Signs that say detour / pedestrians use other footpaths.

If there’s a heavy vehicle parked & unloading you don’t just fucking absentmindedly cycle full pelt in to the back of it, do you?

Multiple categories of road users literally share thousands of roads everyday all over the world.

Every day, millions of road users, drivers, pedestrians, cyclists go around cyclists and wait for pedestrians to clear the road before proceeding.

I don’t know what planet you’re from, but the roads are literally a shared resource for the benefit of all.

Share the road.

I’m also open to the possibility that maybe I’m just a cunt.

Re: Waymo says can't avoid bike lanes because riders want to be dropped off in them

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Post by pandaman »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #450
pandaman wrote: post #334

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>Generally, on a bike you want to be predictable. If you do something weird, like not going when it's your turn, you're increasing your risk. Absolutely agree. As same as going when it's not your turn. But, first and foremost, you should not be going across a moving vehicle. Even another bike. Just falling off your bike can cause pretty serious trauma. Why do this? >Plus you may be waiting literally hours for all the…

>I don't know where in California you live that nobody stops at the stop signs, but I lived in LA and cars generally stop at those When did you live in LA? Especially coming out of COVID lockdowns, what you're saying is not consistent with my daily experience. It's relatively uncommon for cars to actually stop (to the point that when Waymo initially rolled out in LA, people would get mad and honk at them for stopping…

I lived in West LA and Santa Monica. And, as your clip shows, drivers will blow stop signs regardless if there is a bicycle or not. Imagine you tried to enter that intersection from the cross street on a bike without stopping, obscured by the fence? Even at that speed you'd could receive some heavy damage.

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Post by TulliusCicero »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #360
TulliusCicero wrote: post #359

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> Yes, everyone breaks the rules, but cars (mostly) do it in safe and predictable manners. ??? How is texting while driving safe? How is going over the speed limit safe? How is driving too close to other cars to stop in time safe?

Going over the speed limit is not even close to as reckless as completely ignoring stoplights which I see bikes do every day. I see bikers texting weekly even though you need 2 hands to confidently steer a bicycle. Drivers texting is dangerous because theyre controlling heavy machinery, but at least you only need one hand to steer a car in an emergency. A significant portion of bicyclists seem to have a death wish wh…

> Going over the speed limit is not even close to as reckless as completely ignoring stoplights which I see bikes do every day.

True, it's not even close because going over the speed limit in a car is a lot more dangerous to others.

Blowing through stoplights on a bike is very stupid, of course, but 99% of the danger is directed towards the cyclist themselves, at least.

Note that the Idaho stop, though, is quite safe.

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Post by saagarjha »

nandomrumber wrote: post #451
saagarjha wrote: post #379

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Didn’t yours teach you to put some more thought into how you engage with other people?

No, they didn’t really. I dunno, maybe I just wasn’t as fortunate as you in some respects. > Working on the road does not give you priority on the roads. What are you even talking about? Of course it does. Look at any construction site next to a road where trucks are constantly stopping and cranes are operating. They’ll have part of the road cordoned off, or otherwise under their control. Signs that say detour / pede…

You're being kind of rude right now, yes. You can present your points without being annoyingly patronizing.

When you do construction, or any other event, you need to actually ask the city to put signs down monopolizing the road. It's not just there for you to take it. This is because the road is there for cars and bicycles and sometimes pedestrians too. Obviously the nature of being a person capable of thinking means that I should not walk/bike/drive into the intersection just because the light turned green if I see someone blasting through it anyway. But that does not mean they should be there, just like people are not supposed to park in the bike lanes.

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Post by CrimsonRain »

jlebar wrote: post #183
CrimsonRain wrote: post #152

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And when you do that, (most) cyclists behind you get angry. (Most) cyclists are rude and act like they own the road.

> (Most) cyclists are rude and act like they own the road. I would bet you an arbitrary sum of money that 51% of cyclists are not rude and don't act like they own the road. (Same for drivers.) https://thedecisionlab.com/biases/salience-bias

Yes, that's why, unless it is a parent-child duo, almost every cyclists duo I see everyday keeps riding side by side and now I can't even legally overtake even when I go (as I should) fully to other lane as I am supposed to keep 2M distance from them.

Look, I have a bicycle that I love riding. I have nothing against bicycles. But (primary transport) bicyclists are, in general, AHs.

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Post by Shadowed_ »

SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #136
Shadowed_ wrote: post #128

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Or they could fine them. And increase fine for each repetition so rich can't just pay to be jerks.

All the fines in the world won’t save you from getting mowed down by a distracted driver on their phone. Drinking and driving has heavy fine deterrents, yet people still do it anyway. You know what stops a drunk or distracted driver from killing someone? A cement barrier

How many of those drunk drivers get actually fined?
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