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Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by deaux »

Aurornis wrote: post #427
nemomarx wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In physical markets we call this kinda thing dumping and it's often regulated. Maybe offering SaaS or compute at below profitable rates should be investigatable too, to avoid killing competitors too easily?

Dumping is typically used in the context of international trade. There are some predatory pricing laws, but they're much more narrow than most people believe. There is no law requiring things to be sold for more than it costs to produce. I think it's funny that these topics make people angry enough to demand that we make laws to force companies to raise prices. We'll stick it to these companies by forcing them to cha…

> Dumping is typically used in the context of international trade.

This is dumping and it is international trade. Maybe you don't realize it because you're American and have internalized it as business as usual.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by NitpickLawyer »

2001zhaozhao wrote: post #206

Apparently it's just an A/B test. Legit LMAO moment, speedrunning reputation destruction to your entire userbase just to test a question whose answer you can probably already guess. --- > For clarity, we're running a small test on ~2% of new prosumer signups. Existing Pro and Max subscribers aren't affected. > When we launched Max a year ago, it didn't include Claude Code, Cowork didn't exist, and agents that run for…

MS paused Copilot subscriptions because they don't have enough capacity. Anthropic is trying to confuse new users and literally don't want 20$/mo because they don't have enough capacity. Seems like there's a trend here. A lot of people in scaling threads were saying that capacity projections and DC buildouts were "fantasy" a few years ago. Not so much anymore...

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by sroussey »

lelanthran wrote: post #447
solenoid0937 wrote: post #441

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most real businesses are on API billing, not Max.

None of the companies I deal with (~40) are on the API. Some where, but that experiment lasted a month. Until they go public, we are all just guessing.

CC has such egregious API subsidies that it’s hard to not to leverage it unless the license tells an enterprise otherwise. Love the subsidized pricing while it lasts.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by deaux »

nemomarx wrote: post #282
parineum wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is honestly truly fucking incredible how corps still find new, innovative ways to enshittify. Regular enshittification won't cut it, they have to exercise their artistic creativity. I had a bit of an epiphany the other day thinking about these VC companies offering products to the public at unsustainable prices. It's classic anticompetitive behavior. You imagine anticompetitive behavior to come from a monopoly b…

In physical markets we call this kinda thing dumping and it's often regulated. Maybe offering SaaS or compute at below profitable rates should be investigatable too, to avoid killing competitors too easily?

The whole Silicon Valley VC industry and the majority of the net worth of SWEs on HN is based on dumping. "Burning VC cash" is transparently dumping, and it's squarely what the US big tech dominance is founded on. Amazon, Uber, Youtube, now LLMs. The huge majority of "success stories" of the last 15 years are based on dumping their product far below cost price, running at a loss for years until they dominate the market, and then jacking up prices/enshittifying/selling user data.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by rock_artist »

The age of AI seems to forget some lessons from Google (and history in general).

- Rapid changes hurts the trust of your brand and product. In Google case, using a new service product became something you’ll think multiple times as you are more likely to axe it than rivals or specialized equivalents.

- While models currently has no clear winner. Anthropic’s core product is coding. But just as Skype, IE, Netscape their can always be another game changer you cannot count.

- The Pro plan is already limited for true agentinc workflows. The limits now are so bad that a business that relies on it would need bigger plans.

- Anthropic is already in a delicate situation where many devs are frustrated. Dropping or crippling the use even more just means this sector (which I can only assume is a big chunk) would switch to competitors tool that already try to compete.

- Local models, whether as Google sees it “edge” or even further would also take bigger part in the future.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by croes »

SwellJoe wrote: post #192

Why would you even want a Claude subscription if not for Claude Code? Anthropic is obviously the best for programming, but probably nowhere else. Seems like a good way to onboard people to the Claude Code experience...everyone who's working seriously with it needs Opus, anyway. But, maybe that's the rub, if the Pro plan includes no Opus usage (which I think has always been the case), you might have a worse impression…

Opus 4.5 was part of the pro plan and 4.6 too

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by m3kw9 »

isodev wrote: post #449
rideontime wrote: post #209

Anthropic’s “Head of Growth” claims this is a “test”: https://x.com/TheAmolAvasare/status/2046724659039932830 This does not explain the changes to documentation.

I don’t get the surprise or discontent. People hooking themselves up to a paid SaaS that only two vendors can offer (Anthropic and OpenAI), no competition or regulation to speak of… of course they’ll do whatever they want with their plans. Hope you can still resume working on your projects without AI.

Losing trust on them not rug pulling users

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by ogou »

Most commercial websites, especially tech, run multiple A/B experiments in parallel to optimize signup funnels and tier conversions. Even so, there should always be a source of truth for people. We should have some way of verifying what we get for what we pay. There are laws about this as well.

This guy's casual and crass response is a sign of disrespect for customers. Unfortunately, that is pervasive in the industry. The bubbles these teams work in are corrosive to empathy and real world impact.

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