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Post by HerbManic »

anigbrowl wrote: post #290
oceansky wrote: post #269

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There elections every two years, it's not too late. But only if people actually want that enough to vote and press politicians.

There's no mechanism for pressing politicians except threatening not to vote for them again, and politicians are exceptionally cowardly and avoid picking up hot potatoes that could incur criticism. I'm in a district with one of the safest seats in the country, and getting my representative to state a position on many issues is like getting blood out of a stone. There's no formal mechanism of accountability for member…

It also doesn't help that in situations like this, both major parties are moving in lock step. You cannot vote against something that both party stand for.

Terrance McKenna once said that the worst president was the one in power, regardless of when it is. It is because for the most part, they just keep building on the existing frame work, standing on the shoulders of those before them.

Now one could argue that Trump is doing the opposite this term, but depending on were you stand, this might not have been a great out come.

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Post by armadyl »

busterarm wrote: post #448
armadyl wrote: post #446

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> Protonmail is widely believed to be compromised and some evidence supporting this has come forth in two separate incidents in the last year. There has been no evidence of this, stop spreading misinformation. They're clear on what they can and can't hand over and what you can do to reduce the information that they can hand over like billing info. For some inexplicable reason people expect a corporation to disregard…

I would put Phrack's reputation up against ProtonMail's 10 times out of 10. https://redact.dev/blog/proton-mail-journalist-suspensions-c...

Well that's subjective. But Proton's response to that is also valid imo (which is also subjective):

https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1nd07w0/comment/nd...

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by keithnz »

lmm wrote: post #447
keithnz wrote: post #443

weird everyone's focusing on privacy and google.... Not the actual insanity of a government targeting people who are legally allowed to be in the US. You can try to find a way to keep things private, and many of the people on HN likely have the capability to do so. But hiding from your government because they are weaponizing your information against you seems to be the wrong approach. I just don't understand the Amer…

Was it a right he had in the first place? Many countries make it illegal for foreigners to undertake political activities as a condition of their visa, for good reason.

the problem is, technically yes, they have a right, but their visa can be arbitrarily cancelled for very unspecified reasons, like the government not liking what you are doing and calling a potential security risk. This targeting of people, because they can, amazes me that Americans are so accepting of it. To me this says they'd do this to their citizens if they could. You already have the attack on birth right citizenship to try and take away protections so they can target more people. This targeting on political grounds is nuts. It's so anti American but somehow so many are convinced that it's not a bad thing.

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Post by jcranmer »

mothballed wrote: post #422
kelnos wrote: post #337

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After the Revolutionary War, most US citizens couldn't vote. I don't think we should be using that time period for comparison.

Most people in the US did not choose to become citizens until the mid 19th century. The process was much easier than naturalization today, though, presuming you were white and in some cases might be required to own property. US also didn't have Jus soli citizenship until the whole civil war and slavery debacle. You had to go into a local court and show you lived in the US for a couple years, who would swear you in as…

> US also didn't have Jus soli citizenship until the whole civil war and slavery debacle.

Actually, my understanding is that the US did largely follow jus soli. What it wasn't was unconditional jus soli, but the principle was birth in the bounds of the US conferred citizenship except if positive law existed not conferring citizenship.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by quadrifoliate »

13415 wrote: post #239
quadrifoliate wrote: post #159

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My opinion doesn't match the article. I do think the user has a legitimate grievance; I am merely suggesting a different avenue for fixing it. > Expecting a company to hold its own promise (of notifying the user before it happens) sounds like a pretty minimal expectation, hard for me to imagine it being "too much". I am saying that this expectation is unrealistic for a British/Trinbagonian citizen, given the politica…

You're essentially saying "Don't trust Google at all and ask your local government to put pressure on Google" and I agree with that but you frame it in a needlessly apologist way. If a company makes a promise and breaks it, that should always be a reason for concern, and the article is right for pointing that out.

Yeah, I'm sorry for coming off as a Google apologist. That wasn't my intention.

I'm merely saying that I'm skeptical that calling them out for breaking a promise is a useful path to go down. The alternate path (often proven to have been effective) is to pressure your non-US regulators into regulating them more. What I foresee is that this will either make Google follow more safeguards for everyone, or incentivize them to get out of non-US jurisdictions altogether.

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Post by MiiMe19 »

daytonix wrote: post #271
MiiMe19 wrote: post #245

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The one that forced people into their homes, required proof of medical operation to shop at stores, and tries to abolish my second amendment rights? Or the one that god forbid is deporting people that shouldn't be here in the first place.

also how do you reconcile your belief in second amendment rights with alex pretti's death at the hands of ice, an organization empowered by the current admin?

Uhhh that was wrong, duh??? But sometime bad things happen? I would much rather ice be empowered and we deport the people who should be deported. Its like how some people died from the vaccine.

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Post by platevoltage »

grzegorzx2 wrote: post #404

I believe there are many US citzens discussing here. I always wanted you to ask: do you ever wonder why there are retaliations related to pro-Palestinian protesters in your country? Do you think sometimes why your mainstream media name them always this way while they actually are anti-Israel protests? Are you aware about anti-boycott regulations which you have since many years? I think this is much more important tha…

It's almost like we can pay attention to multiple things at the same time.

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Post by stavros »

FireBeyond wrote: post #210
yellow_postit wrote: post #198

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I use Fastmail and the main difference I notice is less effective spam filtering — it’s good but not as great as Gmail was. Overall it’s been an acceptable trade off and I’m glad years ago I switched to a custom domain for email so I can have portability.

Interesting, I have used Fastmail for probably a decade plus at this point, and whether it's my obsessive rating of false negatives and positives, it is amazingly rare that I get spam slip into my inbox (maybe one message a week from ~100/day received, while my spam folder gets about 10/day).

I, too, mark all positives and negatives obsessively, but still get the same obvious spam in my inbox too often for my liking. Still, though, I love Fastmail.
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