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Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by crazygringo »

everforward wrote: post #344
crazygringo wrote: post #52

From my quick research online, it seems they've gone digital-only for season tickets because they don't want people just reselling them to turn a profit. They want actual season-long fans, so now if you transfer too many games they can track it and ban you. This is essentially anti-scalping. There's a legit justification. You can still buy paper tickets at the stadium for a single game. But not for season passes anym…

> They want actual season-long fans, so now if you transfer too many games they can track it and ban you. This is essentially anti-scalping. There's a legit justification. This doesn't track to me. I can send someone else my QR code to use without actually transferring the tickets to them unless they're checking ID, and if they're checking ID then it doesn't matter whether the tickets are paper or digital. I can't re…

> I can send someone else my QR code to use without actually transferring the tickets to them unless they're checking ID

No you can't. They constantly change to match the current time, precisely to prevent what you're suggesting.

> There are tons of things that were superseded decades ago that we still support.

And tons of things were don't. You're obviously cherry-picking things.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by crazygringo »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #378
9rx wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am suggesting that if you have enough money to buy a ticket, but then take some portion of that amount away to buy a smartphone, you will no longer have enough to buy said ticket.

So someone has enough money to buy a season ticket and $40 extra is going to kill them?

Seriously. We're talking something like $2500 minimum for the season, possibly much more. The cost of a budget phone is a rounding error.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

graemep wrote: post #422
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have absolutely never in 15+ years of having an iPhone had an app ask for GPS or sensor data when it clearly wasn’t necessary for functionality like a maps app or Uber.

What is clearly necessary? I have had a supermarket app (on Android, I do not know the behaviour of the Apple app) ask for location to direct me to their click and collect point, but then keep requesting location data afterwards.

On iOS, once an app requests a permission once, it is never again allowed to request that permission, the dialog won’t show.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

kube-system wrote: post #400
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #385

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Is it because of physical limitations or stubbornness to learn like my 83 year old dad?

I don’t know but I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss it. IME many elderly people genuinely struggle and some mask their embarrassment with a stubborn attitude.

In the case of my dad, he is really into music - mostly around playing for the church. He is always on YouTube - on his phone - learning about music equipment, mixers, etc.

He is motivated to do that because he wants to.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by [deleted] »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #378
9rx wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am suggesting that if you have enough money to buy a ticket, but then take some portion of that amount away to buy a smartphone, you will no longer have enough to buy said ticket.

So someone has enough money to buy a season ticket and $40 extra is going to kill them?

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Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by DerArzt »

andrewla wrote: post #76
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #66

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What? We sold tickets for literally decades upon decades before smartphones came out. Of course you can do it, it's already been done!

Decades upon decades of holograms and watermarks on tickets to make them unforgeable. But it keeps getting easier to forge them. Meanwhile ticket prices keep increasing (venue space is one of the last things that's truly scarce) and the incentives for forgery keep increasing. Even if we could make them truly unforgeable, people generally want electronically transferrable tickets. How do you propose to do this?

At this point couldn't we have all tickets be printed with a QR code that is used to look up if it's a valid ticket or not (if you have the QR code you have the ticket)? I don't get why forgary would be a thing if the ticket ID's were GUIDs or something else that you can't brute force while physically in line at the event.

The real reason, I fear, that we need the apps is data harvesting to be sold to data brokers.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by 9rx »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #378
9rx wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am suggesting that if you have enough money to buy a ticket, but then take some portion of that amount away to buy a smartphone, you will no longer have enough to buy said ticket.

So someone has enough money to buy a season ticket and $40 extra is going to kill them?

Meaning he could take on debt to cover what he doesn't have? Maybe, but finding a willing lender when you are 81 years of age isn't easy either.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by andrewla »

DerArzt wrote: post #456
andrewla wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Decades upon decades of holograms and watermarks on tickets to make them unforgeable. But it keeps getting easier to forge them. Meanwhile ticket prices keep increasing (venue space is one of the last things that's truly scarce) and the incentives for forgery keep increasing. Even if we could make them truly unforgeable, people generally want electronically transferrable tickets. How do you propose to do this?

At this point couldn't we have all tickets be printed with a QR code that is used to look up if it's a valid ticket or not (if you have the QR code you have the ticket)? I don't get why forgary would be a thing if the ticket ID's were GUIDs or something else that you can't brute force while physically in line at the event. The real reason, I fear, that we need the apps is data harvesting to be sold to data brokers.

Forgery here would be stealing someone else's ticket code for resale, or selling the same ticket multiple times.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

9rx wrote: post #457
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #378

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So someone has enough money to buy a season ticket and $40 extra is going to kill them?

Meaning he could take on debt to cover what he doesn't have? Maybe, but finding a willing lender when you are 81 years of age isn't easy either.

So he buys a $2500+ season ticket. But he needs to take on debt for a $40 phone?

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

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Post by [deleted] »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #459
9rx wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meaning he could take on debt to cover what he doesn't have? Maybe, but finding a willing lender when you are 81 years of age isn't easy either.

So he buys a $2500+ season ticket. But he needs to take on debt for a $40 phone?

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